[JayE]

Strange thing for a fan to say.

He's done nothing in the public eye for the past year except a couple of radio interviews, JCS, and some shitty farm food adverts so in my eyes he isn't doing anything that we know of yet.

[The Deadly]

I haven't slept properly for the fourth night in a row, I've put on weight and I feel like complete and utter shit. I'm going to be so happy to spend all day trying to get customers to buy foot creams.

Would you like me to treat you to a continental breakfast? Would that cheer you up?

[Topher]

He's done nothing in the public eye for the past year except a couple of radio interviews, JCS, and some shitty farm food adverts so in my eyes he isn't doing anything that we know of yet.

(Emphasis mine).

That is the key point... that we know of. He may well have been doing a hundred other things that we don't know of.

[Boboff]

I bet that Porn filter is definitely OFF.

[The Deadly]

Tesco had no Desperados. I blame all of you.

[R94N]

If the filters do work, it wont be long before they will be changed from covering just "illegal material" to "morally objectionable" then to "morally questionable" etc etc

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[The Deadly]

Just seen a news report about that poor little boy Daniel Pelka who was tortured and murdered by his "mother" and "step-father". I'm against bringing back the death penalty but a case like this definitely makes me lean towards it in certain circumstances. I hope they are tortured and killed in prison the same way they tortured a 4 year old boy. *.

[Yudster]

.................can't argue with that.

[The Deadly]

How the school didn't see that he was battered and bruised and massively underweight is beyond me. Another example of people in a position of authority turning a blind eye.

[Yudster]

And stealing food, climbing furniture and scavenging in bins to get crusts of stuff and anything he could find - I wanna throttle them I really do.

And now the woman's mother has come out and said her daughter was a good girl and its all the bloke and social services' fault. Well of course they DID * up, but to pretend that the woman was innocent...? I wanna throttle her too.

[The Deadly]

If the school thought there was anything wrong (not that there is) with my children I'd want to school to ask me about it. It would reassure me that they are being observant and doing their job. If the school had done their job properly that little boy would be alive today and far away from the murdering bastards he called parents.

[Misfit]

I have struggled so much this month with money so was relieved it was payday today. That changed soon as I got my paycheque and found out for the second time, I've been underpaid and this time by quite a lot. Yet again, no one gives a shit.

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[Topher]

It's an awful case. I have to agree with everything Deadly and Yudster says. It beggars belief that SOMEONE at the school didn't raise an alarm ever.. I mean how many people did he come into contact with at the school who COULD have done something? Negligent in the extreme.

[The Deadly]

The sad thing is give it time and there will be another case like this. Nobody can directly stop parents abusing their kids behind closed doors but schools, social services, friends and neighbours can raise an alarm if they think there is a problem. Maybe 99/100 reports will turn out to be nothing of concern but that one that is could dealt with. Whistleblowing should be encouraged.

[Boboff]

It is encouraged.

The systems are in place.

Obviously they have failed also.

Very Sad.

[Yudster]

What is it then? Stupidity? Lack of compassion? A feeling that a raised suspicion wouldn't be taken seriously or acted on anyway (given the performance of Social Services in so many high-profile cases over the years, you'd be forgiven for thinking talking to them would be a waste of time)? Laziness? A willingness to believe the story told by the parents to explain things rather than believe the evidence in front of them?

I know school staff are encouraged to be vigilant and to report any suspicions they have, but in this case it didn't happen, and I have difficulty believing that all the staff at that particular school who had contact with Daniel are lazier or more heartless than staff at any other school. So I don't have any confidence that something of this sort couldn't happen in any school in the country. And given that there are at least some abused and/or neglected children IN every school in the country (I would be very willing to bet that although he might be the worst case, Daniel wasn't the only one in THAT school), its surely crucial that this is properly addressed immediately.

[The Deadly]

It's probably down to a fear of the comeback from making an accusation that turns out to be untrue. I can understand that to a degree but this boy was stealing food from lunch boxes, eating from bins, bruised and dangerously underweight. All the signs in this case pointed to abuse but either due to a lack of caring, fear of reprisals or being terrible at their job they let a 4 year old boy down.

[Boboff]

They did.
At 4 though he would have only been starting school, before then I don'y know.
It just might have been the start of his time, I have to believe that people at the school did care and were doing there jobs, maybe not as quickly as they could, but they just ran out of time.
One thing that I do know is these things do take an age, that is the "ists" councils employ are under great time and scope pressure, and can't be in two places at once. It took us a year for the council to get a "ist" into see our son, and 2 weeks through the NHS........

Having said that the council did then offer some wonderful and expensive one to one support for my Son which meant two weeks ago he became a Published Author!

We have to guard against sitting in our Ivory Towers proclaiming stuff when we don't know the full facts, to do otherwise is to buy the Daily Mail.

[Nicola_Red]

I read a detailed news report kind of accidentally - someone I follow on Twitter posted the link without actually saying in the tweet what it was about and I clicked on it and just ended up reading it. Until then I had avoided the more detailed accounts of the boy's suffering because I knew how much it would upset me. I know that avoiding what's happening in the world is a bit stupid but I know how ridiculously emotional I am, and I think I'm getting worse as I get older. When Drummer Lee Rigby was murdered I was reading the breaking news reports at work and I had to run to the bathroom cos it was making me cry. So yeah, it's very upsetting. I don't believe in the death penalty, but it's difficult not to hope that those people will experience just a tiny bit of the poor kid's suffering whilst in prison.

But how it was missed by so many people is just bizarre. I know someone who was being beaten by his stepmother, and his teachers spotted it, but she managed to keep social services' interest completely hidden from his father, and somehow deterred them when they came knocking on the door. Eventually she threw him out if the house, which was probably for his own good. But still, years of therapy and antidepressants followed. Thankfully he survived - but maybe only cos he was older and more able to fend for himself.

[Bonanzoid]

His mum and stepdad told the school not to feed him because he had an eating disorder, and his brother would hide food around the house for him apparently. I was reading about it a couple of days ago, and it was beyond disgusting. I just can't get my head around why they'd want to do that to a wee kid.

[The Deadly]

I * hate ABBA. I hate it more when people expect me to dance to their songs.

[bmstinton93]

Shit night, shit couple of months. Not enjoying life right now if I'm honest.

[Bruvva]

I * hate ABBA. I hate it more when people expect me to dance to their songs.

GOD, they released some absolutely shocking stuff.

I give you, "Nina, pretty ballerina"

[The Deadly]

I * hate ABBA. I hate it more when people expect me to dance to their songs.

GOD, they released some absolutely shocking stuff.

I give you, "Nina, pretty ballerina"

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh WHY!

[Misfit]

even so, a lot of people like it. ABBA are one of the most requested artists at weddings.