[jamiec21]

Did anyone else here the massive on-air debate about the Sunshine Sheilas song earlier? Whilst I agree with Aled's general sentiment regarding the objectification of women, I think to block playing the song, which was nothing more than tongue-in-cheek and from 10 years ago, was excessive, especially when you consider some of the lyrical content of Radio 1's playlist, which I find far more offensive. I'd even say the phrase "munter in an office block" is more offensive than "firm boobies", but only the former got edited out.

[dimtimjim]

I voted No, but I understand either way, my knackers wouldn't be for the chop - Like Al's would, so I understand his decision.....

[Wykey]

Now I like Aled a lot.

But I think if he were to take into context some of his own comments about, say, the twins or Olly Murrs or other people he's found attractive - him saying Chris and Dave were objectifying women might be a little.... Rich.

But I'd like to think he was just joining in with faux-outrage.

[jamiec21]

I voted No, but I understand either way, my knackers wouldn't be for the chop - Like Al's would, so I understand his decision.....

Agreed, the fact that Rhys came in later and said "I'm glad you didn't play it" indicated he made the correct decision according to editorial guidelines. But I still think it was a bit of an over-reaction, albeit one he had no real control over. I'm just not happy with R1 blocking a DJ saying or performing something silly, because they're scared of getting a handful of complaints. Was it any worse than Dave's "donkey *" comment later on? Speaking of which, if we're talking about the "objectification of women" excuse, how can we forget the tons of material and reference to Dave's recent photoshoot? Nothing I found offensive, mind, but just proving how silly the whole Sunshine Sheilas thing was.

[Wykey]

The animals included a donkey and a *.

That was simply a fortunately comedic opportunity to juxtapose the answers.

It appears that the correct term for a male of the common fowl is a prohibited term. How odd.

[Nicola_Red]

I listened to the song earlier - I have heard it before, but not for many a year - and it was nowhere near as bad as I expected. Everyone knows that men are gonna admire women when they wear skimpy outfits in the summer - it's hardly shocking. My flatmate made a comment to that very effect last week about some of the ladies who get the same bus to work as him, and I jokingly called him a big old perv, but then I do the same thing

However...you have to think of who's listening. Not target audience, but children (remember it's the Easter holidays). Do their parents want them repeating some of the phrases in the song? Do parents want to have to explain to their 5 year old what the lyrics meant? Nope. So for that reason, I think Aled make the right decision.

[chrysostom]

imagine the backlash that would have arisen from playing it. aled was right in a professional capacity.

[Emmy]

I've doubt that Aled made the correct decision in a professional capacity, but in terms of the show's entertainment it was obviously the wrong one.The song is funny and there are no swear words in it, and that should make it ok to air in my book. Unfortunately, it's just another example of the power of the overbearing PC brigade, which the British media, and the BBC in particular, seem to have been running shit scared of ever since the whole Brand/Ross outrage.

Whilst The Chris Moyles Show is still great, don't get me wrong, it isn't a patch on how funny it used to be ten or so years ago, mainly because they can't get away with just being themselves half as much as they could do then. That was also around the time of the brilliant Mark and Lard, who would not be allowed on the air at all nowadays due to the hilarious but 'offensive' nature of most of their material. In the current climate, I'm almost surprised that the BBC hasn't taken to putting out a standard apology after the end of every one of its shows, from Blue Peter to The Graham Norton Show, just in case someone, somewhere, didn't like something about it.

I currently live in Ireland, where 'offensive' material such as swearing in songs and by live callers, as well as by presenters themselves, happens every day on the radio. And guess what, nobody keels over with shock and dies from hearing it. I'm sure some people do complain, but it doesn't seem like they're listened to. When I've been abroad in France, Germany etc. they usually play unedited versions of songs containing swearing, which is something, as I've said already, that 'Sunshine Sheilas' doesn't even contain, and birds still sing, the sky is still blue, nothing bad happens.

So Aled made the right decision in terms of wanting to keep his job. However, I think it's a real pity that he HAD to make that decision, and that he couldn't have played an amusing, harmless, nostalgic show song, for a sunny day that was in it, safe in the knowledge that if anyone complained then the BBC would tell them get over it and * off

[bmstinton93]

I see why he did it and if he had played it after that lengthy discussion then it most likely would have received complaints. But on the other hand i think that if they had just played it with on lead up or introduction then nobody would have complained or even realised that there was anything to complain about

[jamiec21]

Just to put this "objectifying women" thing into context, Chris Brown is currently on the A-list on Radio 1 and has two songs on the 1Xtra Playlist (also 'A'). If Radio 1 want to make a stand, then get that * off the air. I also assume they won't stopping the likes of Lady Gaga and Nicole Scherzinger writhing and gyrating around the stage in Carlisle wearing next to nothing. Or playing the records of artists who have those in heavy amounts in their music videos.

Here's a funny story in the papers today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/ap ... e-routines

Controversial dance routines by Rihanna and Christina Aguilera during last December's The X Factor final were "at the limit" of acceptability for pre-9pm broadcast, but did not breach broadcasting rules, media regulator Ofcom has said.

However, Ofcom did point out that about 1 million children could have been watching the show. It also said that Aguilera's performance "taken as a whole was sexualised in nature to some extent".

"The outfits of some of the dancers were revealing, with limited coverage of the buttocks, and were of a sexualised nature because they were based on lingerie such as basques, stockings and suspenders," the regulator added.

"The routine ... had a number of simultaneous, sexualised elements concentrated into a relatively short period of time and there was therefore a cumulative effect."

But the regulator noted that ITV "regretted that some viewers were taken aback by the performance, but it believed that it took appropriate steps to minimise potential offence", and said that because Aguilera's routine was based on her film Burlesque that the costumes had to be seen "in context".

* brilliant, eh lads? In all seriousness, let's wipe out bullshit like that before sweating over piss-weak pieces like the Sunshine Sheilas song.

[hdsport82]

For me it was probably more entertaining to listen to their reactions to hearing it than if they'd just played it straight away but then once they'd done that I could see nothing wrong with it being played unedited.

However in the times we live I can certainly understand Aled being risk averse and covering his (and more importantly the show's) backsides.

[corsaboi]

I don't blame aled. I blame the * daily mail

Although, in my mind, the catch it advert is worse in that repsect (but funnier)

[ededwards]

Missed this bit of the show this morning but saw some tweets saying the site had gone down?

Take it they didn't play it out on air in the end? Which is odd as it would be just replying old material...Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest, there's nothing remotely offensive in it.

[Bas]

Missed this bit of the show this morning but saw some tweets saying the site had gone down?

Take it they didn't play it out on air in the end? Which is odd as it would be just replying old material...Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest, there's nothing remotely offensive in it.

Neither do i , not by any means, but if it was my job on the line if it went on air (as Aled's may have been) i'd have been cagey about playing it too.
And as also mentioned before Radio 1 had better look at the ghastly lyrical content of most of the urban shite they seem so fond of, before coming down hard on some old fashioned smutty remarks (that they werte happy to let go to air before anyway).

[Nicola_Red]

I definitely agree about the lyrical content of some of the stuff on the playlist - eg Katy Perry's new one ("I'mma disrobe you, then I'mma probe you"?!) - but if you think of it purely in terms of what the listeners are hearing, the argument doesn't carry across to saying they shouldn't be playing someone who was convicted for hitting his girlfriend or someone who wears skimpy outfits in their videos. That's not to say I don't agree that Chris Brown should be off the playlist by the way - I'd be happy to never hear his records again on any radio station - but I'd imagine Aled was primarily concerned with the actual output of the words in the Sheilas song, not the implied message therein. I might be wrong tho.

[the sniper]

Unfortunately, in the post-Sachsgate era of radio, I feel Aled was right to block it being played. I think 'tight arse Sheilas' would be viewed as controversially as the 'sexy boobies' line by the likes of the Daily Fail and OFCOM lovers... Times has changed, for better or worse. Still, it was quite a funny link in the end, funnier then it probably would have been if they'd just played it. And in the end, thanks to CM.net, anyone who wanted to hear can hear it!

Personally, I found the 50 Cent track that they played after the link to be more offensive then Sunshine Sheilas, but that's because 50p is purely shit...

[Odin]

I do think its a bit funny, considering some of the other stuff there letting slide, a song that they had done 10 years ago cant be played out without being edited and no longer in its former glory.

( Remeber Stanta ? )



I do wounder what would be made of this if it happend to be played on radio 1., as far as i can remeber, i know colin murray loved this song when he and edith were on in the afternoons.

[yummytummy]

I don't blame aled. I blame the * daily mail

Although, in my mind, the catch it advert is worse in that repsect (but funnier)

well said.

[Travis Bickle]

imagine the backlash that would have arisen from playing it. aled was right in a professional capacity.

I pretty much agree with this. Aled was correct to play safe as the Daily Mail would have had a field day with it. That said, if they hadnt hyped it up so much, and with a warning, they could have got away with playing it.

Either way, it made for great radio this morning!

[jamiec21]

However...you have to think of who's listening. Not target audience, but children (remember it's the Easter holidays). Do their parents want them repeating some of the phrases in the song? Do parents want to have to explain to their 5 year old what the lyrics meant? Nope. So for that reason, I think Aled make the right decision.

Well, didn't Chris say some of the words later on? I know he said "boobies", and there was also talk about if it's possible to be "wobbly and firm", to which someone texted in "yes, with jelly". The only word which didn't get mentioned was "tight-arsed" which was probably the one they all agreed they should edit out. It wasn't the words that were the problem, it was the context. My point was that if you take it on a level as the lyrics in some of their songs, the misogyny was extremely low and if you take it at it's humorous, tongue-in-cheek core and tone, then virtually non-existent, IMO. I know R1 have edited Rihanna's "S&M", to much controversy, and most songs of that ilk seem to have a radio edit, but it does seem to be as if the artists and their songs can get away with more than the actual voices of the radio station. Which doesn't seem right and fair to me, although I do accept they are employees of the station and therefore will have more responsibility. But I tune into R1 and The Chris Moyles Show for the personalities, not the music, so I automatically get annoyed when I feel the creativity and natural humorous intentions of the team are getting, in my opinion, unnecessarily obstructed because of the ever-increasing thinning skin of BBC management.

Anyway, I wonder how many parents have to explain the general lyrical content of Snoop Dogg's "Sweat" to their five year olds. No wonder Aled called him "creepy" the other day.

[bmstinton93]

I didn't realise that sweat wasn't actually the name of that song. Anyone know what its actually called?

[timp]

I didn't realise that sweat wasn't actually the name of that song. Anyone know what its actually called?

Wet.

[bmstinton93]

Ah ok i remember hearing that being mentioned somewhere now.

[Ilovematt]

I voted No.

Didn't see the point of all the who ha about it !

[Ilovematt]

I didn't realise that sweat wasn't actually the name of that song. Anyone know what its actually called?

Wet.

Talk of the devil !!!!!