[bob_fleming]

i hate being in the higher tax bracket cos it seems that all the money seems to get spent on is big cigars for MP's and rubbish ideas like the millenium dome rather than money for firemen, nurses etc etc

[Chris]

NI is a strange one because there is an upper limit on how much you can pay.

Until April. Then it's uncapped and percentage based instead.
Nasty.

[Sidders]

I thought the millenium dome was a good idea. It's better than pumping money into prisons and rehabilitating junkies, because I'm not going to benefit from that. I did visit the Millenium dome and I was very impressed.

[bob_fleming]

i am sure it was a forfilling experience but it was run badly as everyone one knows. any one with a vauge amount business knowlege the first year a business is running it will hardly break even, i think the money could have been better spent on students nurses firemen etc, on your point about junkies rehab is a good idea if they definatly want to get clean but just throwing money whilly nilly is not going to help the situation as it will just go in to a black hole quite similarly to the millenium dome!!!

I think that prisons are too well stocked with stuff like tv's in cells for young offenders they are there to be punished not to go on holiday at my expence, at the end of the day they should be punished for what they have done be it car theft or mugging grannies

end rant!!

cheers

James

[Sidders]

If the press hadn't been so against the idea then it could have made money. The fact is though that some journalists decided that it was a bad idea, so turned the whole public against the idea. This made people boycot the MD which is why it made such heavy losses.

If the journalists actually took the time to visit and make a more structured critisism based on their experiance I might have respected their opinion more, but unfortunately they just made a wild assumption that it would be crap because they considered it a waste of money. My Dad had the same opinion, but after we visited he changed his opinion and admitted that it was a very good project and not a waste of money.

All I'm saying is, I'd rather have my taxes go towards something I can enjoy rather than pay hospitals, prisons and crap legal systems, because these are things I never use and hopefully I don't anticipate using them in the future.

[bob_fleming]

ahh my fine fellow lecsterite, One day you may need to use the hospital, we have one of the best systems in the world but people still moan, take somewhere like america there are people walking around with massive growths on their heads because they can't afford to go to hostipal to get treatment, we are a lucky bunch indeed !!

I agree it was slated in the press, but it was badly managed in any case until that fellow came in a changed a few things around then it got slightly better towards the end, but still a whole lot of money spent on something that was only going to last one year!!

Cheers

James

[Sidders]

One day you may need to use the hospital

Very true, but I'm a selfish sod, and until that day I'd like to keep my money in my pocket, rather than paying for some chain smoker to have a lung transplant.

[Sam]

It's not just that though is it. If your talking about hospitals your talking about the NHS. In a few years time I'm gonna be a registered midwife, if you don't pay money to hospitals you dont pay my wages which means in future years when you want a midwife to deliver your girlfriend/wifes baby, your gonna have a problem. I'm all for paying taxes if it goes to a good cause, I take your point about chain smokers but what if that was one of your friends?

[bob_fleming]

Thank you sam!! i think that the prison system needs to be looked at, as does the NHS in general, It is alright for 2 jags and blair to swan about and start backing up monkey boy bush wanting to go to war with sadam, but there are things at home that need to be delt with like asylum seekers, NHS, Fire service, Grannies freezing to death because they can't afford to have the second bar on their 3 bar heater, or have fireworks thrown in their eyes tne be batter half to death and have the qulity street tin full of £20 notes stolen, the list goes on!!!


Cheers

James

[Sidders]

It's not just that though is it. If your talking about hospitals your talking about the NHS. In a few years time I'm gonna be a registered midwife, if you don't pay money to hospitals you dont pay my wages which means in future years when you want a midwife to deliver your girlfriend/wifes baby, your gonna have a problem. I'm all for paying taxes if it goes to a good cause, I take your point about chain smokers but what if that was one of your friends?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that nurses etc. need to be paid, but why should I pay for a nurse or doctor for someone else? If I ever needed a nurse or a doctor, I would quite happily pay them their money.

And most of my friends don't smoke.

[Sam]

You should pay because some people can't afford it, and one day you might be one of those people. You can't predit the future. Even if most of your friends don't smoke, I bet they drink, and I'm sure you do to. Hypotheically, what would happen if you were dying of liver failure, and had no money to pay for treatment because you were an unemployed alcoholic? Would you want taxes then? It's alright saying you wouldn't be an alcoholic, you can't know that. Do you get my point?

[Sidders]

You should pay because some people can't afford it, and one day you might be one of those people.

I am one of those people. If I had an accident, I'm sure my parents would pay hospital fees.

Even if most of your friends don't smoke, I bet they drink, and I'm sure you do to. Hypotheically, what would happen if you were dying of liver failure, and had no money to pay for treatment because you were an unemployed alcoholic?

I'm probably already dying of liver failure, if I had to go to hospital for it then it would be my fault, no-one elses, so I should pay.

[magenta]

What if you were knocked over in the road or something, that wouldn't be your fault, should you have to make the choice then of paying hospital fees or dying?

[Sidders]

No, in that case the driver of the car would pay.

[magenta]

& if they drove off?!

[Sam]

Your missing the point. What if you COULDN'T? Some people don't have family and friends to pay for them. Let's change the situation. What if you were a child growing up in a low -income single parent family. Your mother is an alcoholic and her family have disowned her. Due to her drink problem she has no friends and no job. When you are 12 she dies because she has liver failure and theres no-one to pay for her treatment. You are put into care. Because you haven't been taught any different, you bunk school, run away from care and live on the streets taking drugs, drinking and smoking. At 15 you suffer a brain hemmaridge due to the amount of crap your pouring into your body. Thers no-one to help you and you die alone, cold, in a park. What part of that was your fault? And how would you get out of that situation? I made that situation up but I could provide plenty more real ones that I saw on my placement recently, it really opens your eyes.

[Gigglyboots]

Look the way it is now, its the fairest distribution for everyone. About your car thing, thats a poor example, so would that come off the persons insurance if they killed someone?!

You have to accept responsibility for other people beside yourselves sometimes Sidla. Ace point sam, kinda scary thought but horridly true.

[Sidders]

I admit there are certain flaws to my utopia, but as I said, I'm a selfish sod.

[Sam]

Well, at least your honest about it! Woohoo, I made a good point! Thats got to be a first!

[Nablo.]

No you have done it before, once you get going there is no stopping you from making loads of good points.

[Sam]

Now careful Nablo, that almost sounded like a compliment, and you don't wanna do that do you?

[Nablo.]

I had noticed that in the past so was saying what I had noticed. So if it was is that so wrong? I'll change if if you want if I'm not meant to make compliments.

[Sam]

No no, I was only joking, as you often give the impression I annoy you. Note for you, if I put a smilie I'm just teasing and I'm not being arguementative. See?

[Nablo.]

I didn't think that you were being argumentative. Oh well that's sorted out then