[Johnny 1989]

I have tried to post a comment about this topic but it has been censored. He will get the boot soon. Watch this space

Depends if you have the "swear filter" on or not depends on whether or not your post will be censored.

May I ask why you think he'll get the boot soon?

[Andy B]

I eat as much as I want and do nearly bugger all excercise and I'm virtually the same weight I was in school many many years ago. I don't choose to be thin I just am. I'm sure there are fatties out there who don't choose to be fat. But why do so many fat women insist on wearing green on a night out? I mostly only see fat women wearing green for some reason. In the daytime they wear colourful T-shirts with cartoon characters on. Mickey mouse, Tigger etc. Grown women dressing like they did when they were 9.

Meh, he probably was out of line. Unintentionally but that doesn't matter. He'll get some stick for it but it won't be the end of him yet. Job done. Can we move on now?

[SAV1OUR]

My favourite comment over on the Guardian:



Gingeonginger, your comment is typical of the smug, humourless, Guardian-reading leftist crypto fascistic Mum and Dad types commenting here.

You are all the equivalent of "Yours Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" that used to appear in the Daily Telegraph every day. You are simply the new conservative orthodoxy, the new cliche for the post-Blair PC era.

Chris Moyles is the modern, metaphorical bomb-throwing anarchist who creates havoc with his (admittedly not very inspired) non Pc grenades. He is the equivalent, in Jungian mythic terms, of the archetypal 'trickster" character who greets the well ordered Apollonian world with mischievous, often amoral provoications, running rings around them in the process.

[AdrianT]

Oooh Will Young here, mmmmh. I’m here, it’s Will’s birthday and as the years go by I get more very gay. When you saw me years ago you didn’t know, but now I’m the gayest fella you probably know. mmm I like to wear a silly hat, I get camper by the hour, oh would you look at the muck in here. I’m Will Young and I’m gay.

This is babyish playground stuff, sorry. It’s not any way near funny. Many of us get sick and tired of this gay = effeminate bullshit. Or that being gay, in and of itself, is something to be laughed about. Why not throw banana skins at black football players, or have a cross burning for good measure as well? It’s the same thing. You’re picking on some characteristics and projecting them on a whole group of people.

I want to pick up on this rather half-baked comment made earlier in this thread:

Discriminating against people - ie taking actions which directly and adversely affect people - based on race, religion, gender etc is illegal in this country. Beyond that, we're all fair game as far as I can see.....

It’s perfectly legitimate to ridicule when CHOICE is involved – when it concerns opinions, dietary habits, religious beliefs (anyone who believes in virgin births, talking burning bushes and talking snakes for instance), these are fair game. But when it comes to something which is not a choice – race, gender, sexual orientation – then it is most certainly not fair game. (or maybe Yudster has better information than all medical associations in the western world and thinks being gay is a choice? If so, let's hear it...)

Bullying of gay kids is rife in schools – that’s been confirmed by a number of surveys. 4 in 10 gay schoolkids being physically assaulted, in 2008, is seriously not funny, Chris. The homeless organisation I work with fielded 1400 calls from gay teenagers either being kicked out of their homes or having their lives made hell at school because of who they are. Thankyou Chris Moyles for adding to that misery.

Actually, why not read that pathetic verse to the family of Michael Causer, a kid who was dragged from his bed and kicked to death last July simply because he was as you put it, ‘very gay’. "You little queer faggot" were possibly the last words he heard. The full story is here: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.htm ... page_id=34

I don’t doubt that Chris means well. Just have some understanding of what's going on outside the ivory towers of broadcasting house.

[SAV1OUR]

One charity at a time, mate, he's just huffed and puffed (yes, I spelt that correctly) right up a mountain.

I don't think he's the main problem when it comes to stereotypes and what you class as humour or not. The tabloids are the worst - by far. The number of times I can recall headlines which to some would be funny and others not, mocking etc..

"ELTON TAKES DAVID UP THE AISLE"

"BONKERS BRUNO IN REHAB"

Even Moyles picked up on one of the paper's cartoons once, it was after Brokeback Mountain scooped some Baftas I think, there was a drawing of one of the actors dropping the gong and bending over to pick it up. All classed as fun, at the very same time, contrued as tasteless and offensive.

The Sun is also getting taken to court this week by some bloke who played 'Gus' in Eastenders, for saying he was violent or something, this stuff goes on, but I don't for one minute believe that Moyles has a shred of hatred or prejudice in him. He just makes sure he's in the spotlight, as long as people feel -strongly- about him in some way or another, then we're all in this together.

Now, Adrian, are you going to stick around and post some other stuff, oh silly question, course you aren't.

Once again, Arsey Will Young e-mail:
http://chrismoyles.net/soundvault/pafil ... ile&id=478

[JonnyYesno]

He just makes sure he's in the spotlight, as long as people feel passionate about him in some way or another, then we're all in this together.

You said it . His apologists should be tarred with the same brush.

[Sunny So Cal]

While we all appreciate the defense of Chris, feeding into the drama of these trolls is never a good thing. We've now got 3 pages in reply to evanescible nonsense.

Actually: evanescible nonsense = growing sense.

Oh dear. Your grasp of English is frightening. The nonsense you've raised will gradually fade. Perhaps you can do us all the same courtesy and disappear with it?

And your opinion on the ofcom ruling is?

Frightening, too, is your interest in what random internet people think or feel about anything. You want to know my opinion? OK. You're not very perceptive. Look at my avatar, Mr. Troll, can you not guess where my loyalties lie and how I feel about ofcom's 'ruling'?

Or are you dismissing any discussion as trolling?

No. I don't dismiss discussions. In fact I often participate in them - as you can see from the number of posts I have. However, I dismiss blatant badgering. I wouldn't join a forum just so I could insult all and sundry. That was my initial remark. I'm sure you've probably read through the site before and are somewhat familiar with it. We habitually discuss everything - from Moyles related items to the most random of topics -- in fact, if you so choose, you can read a cyclical history of candy bar and pizza preferences of our forum members. Now, surely, you're not interested in lingering? Your point has dulled and perhaps your venom could be better spent somewhere else?

As for the people that are pointing out that Chris is a 'homophobe', I can only laugh and direct you all to the "Ask Aled" thread. Feel free to ask him about it. He has regularly answered these points. You can also visit www.aled.info for more information. Nothing like hearing it directly. So take your silly assertions elsewhere, all of you. You've bored us long enough.

[SAV1OUR]

He just makes sure he's in the spotlight, as long as people feel passionate about him in some way or another, then we're all in this together.

You said it . His apologists should be tarred with the same brush.

Thats a bit Daily Heilish.. you mean like 'hung drawn and quartered'?

We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day.. That sort of thing?

Bless.

[JonnyYesno]

And when nonsense diminishes, sense will correspondingly increase. Matter can not be created or destroyed only changed in state - it's a physics thing.

Frightening, too, is your interest in what random internet people think or feel about anything. You want to know my opinion? OK. You're not very perceptive. Look at my avatar, Mr. Troll, can you not guess where my loyalties lie and how I feel about ofcom's 'ruling'?

How ridiculous, the point of a forum is for people to swap thoughts and have discussions. How does this frighten you? What do you think they're for?

Yes I can see that your stalker-esque admiration for Moyles renders him innocent of all charges in your eyes whether they be upheld by ofcom or not, and even without the need to consider the evidence apparantly. That's loyalty.

No. I don't dismiss discussions. In fact I often participate in them - as you can see from the number of posts I have. However, I dismiss blatant badgering. I wouldn't join a forum just so I could insult all and sundry.

Sigh. Where have I done so. I tried to discuss the motives behind his song parody but everyone replied with "he was just taking the piss, now push off". That's the level of your discussion heh? Post count means nothing, but go you.

As for the people that are pointing out that Chris is a 'homophobe', I can only laugh and direct you all to the "Ask Aled" thread. Feel free to ask him about it. He has regularly answered these points. You can also visit http://www.aled.info for more information. Nothing like hearing it directly. So take your silly assertions elsewhere, all of you. You've bored us long enough.

Aled's a nice guy, he puts up with a lot I'm sure but he's not going to rock the boat. what did he think of Stonewall's 2006 awards?

[JonnyYesno]

Thats a bit Daily Heilish.. you mean like 'hung drawn and quartered'?

Hah you literal ninny. Maybe Comedy Dave can make that tedious link from tarring to disembowelling for you. I sure as hell can't decypher that pinball machine for a brain you must be borrowing.(joke there)

Now that you've dismissed the 'gutter' press, no doubt to be followed by the Guardian, Independant et al, what do you suggest for non-biased opinion on our Saviour? Saviour.

kum buyah my lord.

[Ed Pummelon]

Just ban the kid, he gets his kicks trolling fansites at 5 in the morning. There's no need to keep him around any longer, he's served his purpose.

[JonnyYesno]

Just ban the kid, he gets his kicks trolling fansites at 5 in the morning. There's no need to keep him around any longer, he's served his purpose.

Yet again you've wandered into a thread without commenting on the subject discussed here but instead hell bent on stifling debate. Talking about ofcom breaches in a thread entitled ofcom breaches isn't trolling. Maybe you need to stay away yourself, or indeed tune out, if your'e not interested. It's a public forum, not yours.

Anyway, you certainly don't represent the views of everyone.

[Ed Pummelon]

Just ban the kid, he gets his kicks trolling fansites at 5 in the morning. There's no need to keep him around any longer, he's served his purpose.

Yet again you've wandered into a thread without commenting on the subject discussed here but instead hell bent on stifling debate. Talking about ofcom breaches in a thread entitled ofcom breaches isn't trolling. Maybe you need to stay away yourself, or indeed tune out, if your'e not interested. It's a public forum, not yours.

Anyway, you certainly don't represent the views of everyone.

You have no idea how boring you've become. And don't try and insult people on here by pretending you're here for a debate. Even if you were, you clearly lack the skills to conduct one. Get to school.

[Boboff]

Jonny.

A couple of things.

Don't you sleep?

Your reasoning is sound.

I don't agree with you, and feel that the knob/fart/boobs humor is funny. This mornings "wet" / "weird" dream thing had me laughing out load.

Personally speaking I find "Ban Him" reactions very immature.

Kicking a chap to death though, and making up a silly song about being gay are very far apart. I think it's so much better to open up and discuss and make fun out of differences, it makes those differences inclusive and in many ways less of a difference, and therefore less of a target. In just a few generations attitudes to Race, Sexual orientation and nationality have changed dramatically. Where there was hatred and anger, we now have acceptance and peace, in the main. Having a joke with a Black man about him having a big willy is just funny, as it mocks a stereo type, and come on lets face it, being known for being well endowed isn't exactly a bad thing.

Really I find it odd that people object to this sort of thing, your objections do more to create a sense that "gays" or what ever are somehow special and need protection. They don't when people feel they are equal and contribute to discussions on a level footing. It just really does not make any difference to me and many others, whether some one is gay or not.

[Andy B]

I'm never getting on the wrong side of boboff again.

[JonnyYesno]

Hey boboff

Yes, the kicking to death thing is ridiculous trolling . Wasn't me though.

But Jesus H Dawkins! - you're kidding about the black man's willy?

Anyways, I'm outta here, unless he decides to deny the holocaust later this morning.

(Ed Pummelot: givvus yer dinner money)

[Ed Pummelon]

Personally speaking I find "Ban Him" reactions very immature.

Why?

This individual has come onto the board for the sole purpose of baiting its members, and has tried to dress that up as debate in order to provoke more reactions to his posts. He has no intention of contributing anything other than disruption. In my view, a ban is an appropriate way to deal with that.

Had he attempted to engage in honest debate (including reasoned responses to others' points of view), then he would have been far more likely to get the kind of response he has pretended he is looking for.

Nothing immature about that point of view boboff, quit the knee-jerk reactions.

[Boboff]

Yeah I hate it when my knee does that.

Again, Ed, you are welcome to think that Jonny didn't offer reasons, I thought reading through his posts he did.

It's a rubbish kinda forum without debate, and although you can call it trolling, you do have a choice not to participate. It is this reasoned acknowledgment of your ability not to take action which marks out the maturity. Not allowing people to have opinions different to yours makes for a very boring society.

[Ed Pummelon]

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It's a rubbish kinda forum without debate, and although you can call it trolling, you do have a choice not to participate. It is this reasoned acknowledgment of your ability not to take action which marks out the maturity. Not allowing people to have opinions different to yours makes for a very boring society.

Agreed - and in this case there was no desire for a debate from this guy, which made the forum temporarily more rubbish. You can quote truisms at me all day long, but that's not going to change the situation.

[C-Kay]

I am going to complain to Ofcom about this morning's Geordie accent piss take, i found it offensive and racist. My mates nans ex husbands second cousin twice removed knows a Geordie, it offended me highly.

[Boboff]

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It's a rubbish kinda forum without debate, and although you can call it trolling, you do have a choice not to participate. It is this reasoned acknowledgment of your ability not to take action which marks out the maturity. Not allowing people to have opinions different to yours makes for a very boring society.

Agreed - and in this case there was no desire for a debate from this guy, which made the forum temporarily more rubbish. You can quote truisms at me all day long, but that's not going to change the situation.

True

[AdrianT]

The tabloids are the worst - by far. The number of times I can recall headlines which to some would be funny and others not, mocking etc..

"ELTON TAKES DAVID UP THE AISLE"

"BONKERS BRUNO IN REHAB"

That's sadly true - (by the way the Bruno headline, after his suicide attempt, was disgraceful). But excusing Chris because 'others do it and at least he's not as bad as the Sun' (you implied that comparison, not me) doesn't make adding to the sum total of prejudice right.

"He just makes sure he's in the spotlight, as long as people feel -strongly- about him in some way or another, then we're all in this together."

Absolutely, we all pay the licence fee and people have reason to feel strongly about it. That's what brought me here in the first place.

There's a lot of animosity against Chris Moyles within the gay community. Some of it is justified, for reasons I gave earlier, but I also suspect some of it is blown out of proportion - I don't accept he was malicious. Just see both sides of this. Might people hearing that Will Young pisstake, who really do want to cause harm to other gay people, be given encouragement to act on their prejudices, at school, at the workplace? Quite possibly. Don't take my word for it, speak to people who genuinely do suffer like this. The statistics speak for themselves: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 51326.html

The way to get the misunderstandings out of the way is for Chris to do an interview, directly (not through his envoy Aled), with Gay Times, or better still, have it out with Peter Tatchell, Stonewall, or me for that matter, live on his show. Then have a beer. Light comes from heat.

Now, Adrian, are you going to stick around and post some other stuff? Oh silly question; course you aren't.

I'll be the judge on that. If all criticism is labelled 'trolling' then I guess not. Come on, you don't want this place to be nothing but eternal praise for the Great Leader do you? I thought this was a forum, not a church. But, otherwise, I'm opinionated and arrogant and always right about a lot of subjects* - so yes, I probably will stick around after all and liven things up a bit.

As for the reaction to Arsey Will Young e-mail - nice one - the old bag deserved it. You can tell by her letter that she thinks it to be some kind of illness. I'm really sick of people who think that any discussion of being gay should be airbrushed out of existence, section 28 style. Shouting and screaming at her will not change her opinion, though.

*smiley disclaimer

[Console]

I'll be the judge on that. If all criticism is labelled 'trolling' then I guess not. Come on, you don't want this place to be nothing but eternal praise for the Great Leader do you? I thought this was a forum, not a church. But, otherwise, I'm opinionated and arrogant and always right about a lot of subjects* - so yes, I probably will stick around after all and liven things up a bit.

Not all criticism is labelled trolling here; however, it is unfortunately the case though that many of the people that sign up here and are negative are trolls (a recent example) and some people with legitimate points tend to get tarred with the same brush. You are not trolling, and neither is *YesNo (I can't remember their username) as far as I can tell, so I have no problems if you both stay around and continue to discuss the things that you don't like (and, hopefully, some that you do, too) - welcome to the site.

[AdrianT]

Thanks for having me.

(I can only assume numpties, like the troll you referred to, have some kind of self-esteem issue....)

[Munki Bhoy]

I want the headline "OFCOM - BUNCH OF HUMOURLESS TWATS". Then I'll have respect for the newspapers.