[SAV1OUR]

If you either have or know someone who has an Orange mobile phone then you can go on 'Orange Wednesday' for half price at selected cinemas. The one local to me is Odeon and they accept the codes you get sent via text on Orange mobile phones so we got in for £3.45 instead of full price.

Haha, yes I was just going to say, it depends which network yer on. thanks to Orange Wednesday I only paid £5.80 for a pair of tickets today for Cloverfield. Good film, scariest bit was the rats in the tunnel, thank god for night vision..

[MK Chris]

I can't make Wednesdays. Tuesday is cheap night here, but it's reasonably rare that I can make that as well.

[Weebl and Bob]

looks a good film cant wait to see it

[Vivienne]

Cloverfield was horrendous... like being on a boat about to capsize.. one of the worst movies I have ever been at.

[foot-loose]

Hah

I saw this last night Viv and honestly thought it was one of the best films I have seen in ages!

[Vivienne]

See, this seems to be the thing about this movie. I noticed R1's James King saying the same thing: people either love it, or they hate it.

[dime]

Love it or hate it, sounds like a Marmite film to me?...

A lot of people have been getting motion sickness from parts of the film so if you think you might be affected by this then don't forget to take a sick bag along to watch it!

[Andy B]

Just got back from seeing it and I thought it was a great film! Stuff the camera work, the tension and the special effects are brilliant. I proper shit my pants at some points...

Oh and before it there was a teaser for the new Star Trek Film which has me almost jumping out of my seat!

My missus hated the film though, she said it was boring and predicatable.....women!

[S4B]

Oh and before it there was a teaser for the new Star Trek Film which has me almost jumping out of my seat!

You have just gone so far down in my estimation!

[foot-loose]

Oh and before it there was a teaser for the new Star Trek Film which has me almost jumping out of my seat!

You have just gone so far up in my estimation!

[S4B]

You too are on the way down in the estimation stakes young Mr Loose

[MK Chris]

Oh and before it there was a teaser for the new Star Trek Film which has me almost jumping out of my seat!

You have just gone so far up in my estimation!

Is that because he went down in S4B's estimation or because he was excited about the new Star Trek film?

[Bruvva]

Oh and before it there was a teaser for the new Star Trek Film which has me almost jumping out of my seat!

You have just gone so far down in my estimation!

What's wrong with Star Trek?

[Ezza]

Whats right with it?

[wurzel]

Whats right with it?

Ahhh touchez (however its spelt!).

Star Trek is crap, along with Star Wars. Both huge steaming piles of crap!

[foot-loose]

Oh and before it there was a teaser for the new Star Trek Film which has me almost jumping out of my seat!

You have just gone so far up in my estimation!

Is that because he went down in S4B's estimation or because he was excited about the new Star Trek film?

I've never judged people based on what tv programmes they watch.

[Bruvva]

Whats right with it?

Whats right with it?

Ahhh touchez (however its spelt!).

Star Trek is crap, along with Star Wars. Both huge steaming piles of crap!

* me, what dazzling critiques. Thanks to your brilliant and erudite opinions on one of the most popular and influential tv series of modern years, I shall henceforth no longer watch it. Please tell me what I should be watching instead?

[S4B]

Anything not science fiction orientated

[Console]

Why? What's wrong with Sci-Fi?

Some of the best shows on TV are Sci-Fi, after all. Shows like Lost, Heroes, Futurama, Firefly (when it was on), Doctor Who, hell, even Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes are science fiction.

[S4B]

How is LOST Science Fiction?

[Console]

Lost is a show that encompasses many scientific themes (like the magnetic field that was seemingly controlled from within the swan station and the 'monster') and is (hopefully) a work of fiction. The true definition of Sci-Fi is something along the lines of a story that takes place in a time different from our own, and that it is different in some way to our world (as long as that 'way' isn't magical). Lost is set in the past and in the 'Lost universe' there is an mysterious island on which many (currently) unexplained events occur. Nothing has been shown to be magical yet, so it still fits the definition of Sci-Fi. I think Abrams also said that it was Sci-Fi in an interview once.

[S4B]

I think it's less Sci-Fi and more moral and theological fiction. I believe the general idea is that these people are actually lost souls, surely that is more theological than Science Fiction? I don't think you can compare Lost with Star Trek or Star Wars the things are just not comparable on any level!

[Console]

The writers/producers of Lost have explicitly stated that they are not in any kind of purgatory and as we've now seen them off the island it kinds of throws numerous doubts on theories that they are, infact, dead. There is a lot of science, or at least a lot of scientific possibilities for the events and goings-on on the island. I've seen nothing so far that can't be explained by the scientific and only via theological theories.

As for being comparable with Star Trek or Star Wars, why would it have to be? That said, there are comparisons that can be made to Star Trek. For one, they're both exploring the largely unknown; in Star Trek they're exploring the galaxy and in Lost they're exploring a mysterious island. They both have different groups of peoples which changing alliances, and they both make use (or at least, possibly make use) of scientific theories for which there is currently no proof; Starships in Star Trek manage to travel at faster-than-light speeds, via questionably scientific methods, and Lost has a giant magnetic field, and a smoke monster than can both be explained with the use of scientific theories - actually, the science on Lost is a lot closer to real science than the science on Star Trek (and much, much more than any of the 'science' on Star Wars). Both shows follow a specific group of people - in Star Trek: Voyager it follows a group of people trying to get back home, just like our Losties, they have a constant 'bad guy' - the borg - much like the Losties 'bad guy' - the Others, and now possibly the Freighties too. There are many comparisons that can be made, someone just has to actually look as opposed to just assuming. How much Star Trek have you watched by the way, S4B?

[S4B]

I was watching Star Trek before you were born young Console but I stopped watching it when I became a grown up!

I didn't say that they were in purgatory or indeed dead you can be a lost soul without being either of those things. I can see your arguments Console but I still cannot think of it as Science Fiction. If magnetic fields are now the justification for programmes/books being considered Science Fiction then I had better start re categorising about a quarter of my Fiction section as these kind of things are often referred to in all sorts of different genres.

I think we will have to wait and see what the outcome is at the end of series 6 (if indeed they stop at 6) and see what the truth is.

[Console]

Ok, maybe the huge magnetic field alone may not be enough, but when you include the other themes such as Desmonds time travel (only fools are enslaved by time and space), all of the scientific experiments on the island by Dharma, and the monster (it certainly seems to be a machine of some sort, a machine that would have to rely, on what is currently, the limits of our understanding of science to exist).

Thinking about it, I'm only really able to come up with one or two connections between Star Trek and Star Wars, both things I suspect you believe to be Sci-Fi. The first, and most obvious is that they're set (mainly) in space, they both involve space-ships and scientifically-questionably methods of faster-than-light travel. Second, they both contain aliens (although this could be considered part of them being 'set in space', but I think that it's a significant enough difference to be classed separately). Struggling for a third here, there's an essence of good vs evil in both, certainly in Star Wars, but not to as such a huge degree in Star Trek - it's more us vs them (a bit like Lost).

Sure, from the outside Star Wars and Star Trek may seem similar, but they're not really - the setting is similar, that is all. I would say that Lost has much more in common with Star Trek than Star Wars does. The more I think about it, the less I think that Star Wars is actually science fiction, I think that it's far more fantasy than science, and the whole 'force' thing seems pretty magical to me, until Lucas retconned the idea of midichlorians in Episode I, of course - although that then introduced the idea of the 'virgin birth' into the mix.