[S4B]

Footy I think you missed Clara's point there!

[foot-loose]

...possibly

[S4B]

Muppet! It made me laugh so much I choked on my coffee!

[Tony Trollman]

Actually Troll Toss you are a bit misguided there, Polish average hourly rate is higher than that of the "British" there are a great number of decent builders, plumbers, Electricians etc who bump up the average.

If we get 1 million immigrants, and you accept that unemployment has not risen then you have added 1 million jobs to the economy, about 2.5% of the working population and therefore the economy. So they have added 2.5% growth to the economy, if they all earn £10k a year thats £10,000,000,000 at an average deductible tax element of 33% plus 11% Employers National Insurance that is £4,400,000,000 added to the Governments tax revenue, which means that people like you get your dole paid, you family credit paid so you can spend all your days smoking fags, drinking cheap beer in Social Clubs and moaning about all the immigrants, imagining a time when we had an Empire and were well respected in the world, and you Grandfather went to War and died, and your gran was destitute with no NHS or Social and she had to spend her time whoaring in the work house to keep a shirt on her back and some bread in her belly.

You are just completely wrong, and your bigoted and intellectually starved point of view sums up the problem with Social Housing and Welfare, you can live and breath without adding anything to the common good of the society we live in except hatred and putrid attitudes which will condemn you to a sad life of anger and bitterness, caused by your own inadequacies.

I think that is what Toph meant

Ha ha. I chortle at these incorrect assumptions. For the record, I have never ponced a penny from the state, I work long and hard for my money and always have.

I am not completely wrong at all, the South in particular is full to the brim. It simply isn't possible to accomodate the volume of people which we're likely to expect in the near future.

[Tony Trollman]

I can understand people's concern over the immigrant population but people like you only look at things from the negative point of view. I agree they should integrate themselves into our community and also learn to speak english - however huge swathes of 'British' people can't speak english correctly in my view and should be forced to re-learn their own language.

There's anything positive to discuss regarding the pontential influx of foreigners in this country. We have enough here already.

[S4B]

This is just rubbish - back it up with some fact Trollman! If the South were indeed full to the brim then this topic would be headline news! You are not making any sense at all and vaguries like "which we're likely to expect" are not fact! Find me the data and the facts that back this up with no shadow of a doubt until then, as I said before, take your Trollmanship and bother another forum somewhere!

[Chris]

Who are you to tell me where I can and cannot post? If you do not like this topic, then get yer arse out of it

Banned for posting inciteful trash. As someone said, take it elsewhere.

[Boboff]

Ahhh, Poor Troll, excluded for his opinions..... Still it's your ball I suppose !

[S4B]

Who are you to tell me where I can and cannot post? If you do not like this topic, then get yer arse out of it

Banned for posting inciteful trash. As someone said, take it elsewhere.

GO CHRIS!

[SAV1OUR]

The lord protector saves civilisation! Hey, I wouldn't wanna get on the wrong side of his mighty wrath, that mighty banning stick, or is it a broomstick?! Yikes!! *runs for the hills!!!*

[Yudster]

Who are you to tell me where I can and cannot post? If you do not like this topic, then get yer arse out of it

Banned for posting inciteful trash. As someone said, take it elsewhere.

Ahhh, Poor Troll, excluded for his opinions..... Still it's your ball I suppose !

No, he wasn't banned for his opinions, he was banned for expressing them in an inciteful way designed purely to provoke argument, rather than discussion. Which I think I said somewhere within the first few posts on page one....!

[QWERTYo8]

Tricky this one. Whenever we talk of immigration, the more liberal PC idiots amogst the community cry 'nationalism', or 'racists' etc. I can't be bothered to go into my thoughts at the minute, I got an union* meeting in a hour. I will say that many of todays problems can be, maybe not erradicated, but made a whole lot better by this one word - EDUCATION. And from a young age at that.

* - 'An union' doesn't quite sound right, but it does follow the normal rules of English! Lol.

[scamp88]

who cares,

If we dont all die from:

Chicken Flu
A nuclear war with Iran, that no doubt American will go banging in with
HIV mutates and becomes as transmissible as the common cold,
A global pandemic
Eruption of a supervolcano
A gamma ray burst
An abrupt reorientation of Earth's axis of rotation
A drastic increase or decrease in the Sun's energy output
An impact event caused by the collision of a large meteoroid, asteroid, or comet with Earth
The creation of a black hole on or close to Earth
A cybernetic revolt : aka Robots take over the world
Grey goo
Alien invasion
A Last Judgment that many crazy people (Christains no doubt) belive is over due.
A new Ice Age
Another possibility is the megatsunami. A megatsunami could, for example, destroy the entire east coast of the United States of America (shame)
collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet


The New World Order' World government will "take over" in 2009
Scott Mandelker thinks the world is going to end in 2010
The Aztec think the world will end in 2012 December the 21 to be precise
According to The Church of !BLAIR! the Human Race will end on the 14th Septemver 2047 at 3:28am (UK Time)

But 2012 seems the most likely to watch out for:
The book The Orion Prophecy claims that the Earth's magnetic field will reverse.
The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.
The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth. (Its is the Bible so lets not take that one to seriously :p)
The book The Nostradamus Code speaks of a series of natural disasters caused by a comet (possibly as above) that will allow the third Antichrist to disperse his troops around the globe under the guise of aid in preparation for a possible nuclear war, although in the strictest sense it is unspecific as to nuclear war or some other natural or man caused destruction.


I could go on and on, but if all these things Fail to happen then i suppose i should Worry about over population of Britain.

Liz xx

[scamp88]

You best be written these dates down!

Liz x

[foot-loose]

It's all because of the Ring. We need to gets to Mordor and gets it destroyed, precious.

[markool89]

It doesnt matter how many come into the country,(although i do mind most of them taking all the schools and hospitol places) what matters is "can we cope financally."
The answer: NO!
The reason: the government are giving away 1 million an hour to the europe bank. plus all the other money going to "help africa"
THEN they have the cheek to put a budget on our health service. there shouldnt be a price on peoples lives.
Everyone should surley agree!

[Ballbag]

*sighs*

[markool89]

and whys that ballbag? its all true!

[Ballbag]

The innocence of youth. You could have plucked your rant off of the front page of the Sun (depending on their leaning at the time) and posted it here.

Although I don't think that they would have printed the "help Africa" statement, that was a particularly bad touch.

It's just a shame that so many people in this country are so easily lead on politics, without knowing anything about that which they then preach. What also gets my goat is the constant sniping at the NHS, try living in a country without a national health service and then see how lucky we are.

Oh and incidentally I think Britain is coping very well financially in the world.

[markool89]

The innocence of youth. You could have plucked your rant off of the front page of the Sun (depending on their leaning at the time) and posted it here.

Although I don't think that they would have printed the "help Africa" statement, that was a particularly bad touch.

It's just a shame that so many people in this country are so easily lead on politics, without knowing anything about that which they then preach. What also gets my goat is the constant sniping at the NHS, try living in a country without a national health service and then see how lucky we are.

Oh and incidentally I think Britain is coping very well financially in the world.

#1 I love the nhs. i hate the government for making it have a budget.
#2 i didnt rant. i was mearly saying how much i hate this government for spending money, to help other countrys, when their own country is going to the dogs.
#3 I prefer "The Daily Star" to "the sun".

[Console]

#1 I love the nhs. i hate the government for making it have a budget.

I think that's a constraint set by the universe, not by the goverment.

[markool89]

even if it is console, why is it putting a price on someones life?

[Ballbag]

#1 I love the nhs. i hate the government for making it have a budget.

Silly me, you're right. The NHS should not have a budget, how dare the government do that. It should be unlimited funds all the way.

#2 i didnt rant. i was mearly saying how much i hate this government for spending money, to help other countrys, when their own country is going to the dogs.

Such the humanitarian. I hope for your sake you don't ever require help from another person, because that other person might be just like you.

#3 I prefer "The Daily Star" to "the sun".

This makes sense.

[Console]

even if it is console, why is it putting a price on someones life?

It isn't. It's simply a fact; there's only so much money, and there's more than one thing it needs to be spent on.

[Boboff]

Mark

This is all just rubbish.

People work, they have jobs, they pay tax, that tax is used to fund schools and hospitals. It is not a finite thing, there has to be a budget, and there are always winners and losers, unfortunately there just isn't enough money to do everything.

The money we pay to Europe comes back to our Farmers and business men through grants. ( they get subsidies for growing all sorts, and this year they are even being paid set aside as well as being able to grow on the land to try and ease the global food problem.)

The reason the government is allowing this to happen is so that we can cope financially. If our economy does not grow, then we are in recession, in recession there are many soft and hard financial factors that come into play. Inflation being one.

Economies are cyclical and you need ups and downs, the immigration figures help us now to keep the up going a bit longer, and may well give us the time needed for further International factors to come into play to allow this continue even further into the future.

Yes there are down sides, a bigger population will need more money for schools and health, more than was forecast, but there will always be a corresponding increase in revenue from those additional people.

Unlike a business a Government or a country does not have a Balance sheet, all it's spending and investing are reported in the year they happen, you have to invest in the good times, and not in the leaner times to balance the books. You can borrow money in the poor years to invest, but have to then pay this back as well as invest in the good years ( G Browns idea )

Your points are really therefore factually quite inadequate, and your opinions are frankly very immature, Economics are rather more complicated than the scenario you put forward, and your conclusions are also simplistic.

Your good at juggling, not matters of national finances, therefore I suggest you stick to what you are good at.

Oh and as a society it is important that we give aid to the developing world why ? well they are the economies of tomorrow, they have vast mineral reserves, and many British quoted companies have huge investments in them. Those same companies that are quoted here in London, and form a large part of your Parents Pension funds. So think of the "donation" as being a round about way of you getting more pocket money !