[MK Chris]

The first time I went to Canada to visit our relatives, one of the relatives we stayed with had English people who had emigrated living in the same street; after talking to this family, it transpired that the dad used to drive a lorry through the village where my mum lives and even knew the road she lives down. This is a village with a population of little over 1,000 - there are people from the town three miles away who have never heard of it.

Incidentally I don't believe in psychic events.

[timp]

We're also not arguing, it's called a 'discussion'.

Forgive me if Im wrong, but when two people have contradictory views ane talk about them, argueing their points, isnt that called an arguement?

[Console]

We're also not arguing, it's called a 'discussion'.

Forgive me if Im wrong, but when two people have contradictory views ane talk about them, argueing their points, isnt that called an arguement?

An argument involves giving actual reasons and evidence to backup your statements and conclusions, and Viv doesn't do this, so it's simply a discussion.

[Yudster]

I believe everything is pre-determined. You were forced to approach a problem from a different angle, thus providing you with an answer! You were meant to do that.. it had already been pre-determined. This is NOT a co-incidence, yuds.

Yes, thats what I said - this was absolutely, definitely, totally and completely NOT coincidence. Unlike you, I'm not convinced it was "psychic forces" either, or at least not in the way I think you mean it, but it wasn't coincidence. I still believe that the vast majority of things which look and feel like coincidence are exactly that though, coincidence.

[Vivienne]

Right, I'm back! I see you had to take me down "viv doesn't give evidence"... this is exactly the POINT.. these things can't be backed up with evidence. They are the unexplained ! And, yes, many people that say they are mediums believe they are, but only a limited few can prove it!

How do you explain stuff that happens to me... e.g. sitting across from a person, and knowing what they are thinking, or dreaming about stuff before events take place... It doesn't consistently happen, but there was a morning I was dreaming about stuff to do with Comedy Dave, which showed up in the "tedious link" later that morning (the subject matter).. where does that come from? And how, just by looking at your name yesterday morning, did I know that all was not OK with you yesterday? Evidence is not always required.

[Vivienne]

The first time I went to Canada to visit our relatives, one of the relatives we stayed with had English people who had emigrated living in the same street; after talking to this family, it transpired that the dad used to drive a lorry through the village where my mum lives and even knew the road she lives down. This is a village with a population of little over 1,000 - there are people from the town three miles away who have never heard of it.

Incidentally I don't believe in psychic events.

well, you seem to have just come up with one!

[Console]

Evidence is only not required if you accept things blindly. If you want at least a little proof of something, then you need evidence. As for 'foresight' there are two explanations. The first is that when you consider the number of thoughts that cross our brain every single day, it would actually seem odder if some of them didn't happen, but as people find it much easier to notice what is there and harder to notice what isn't there, people only see the one side of this and assume that it's somehow 'magical'. The other explanation is the fragility of human memory, the memory of whatever Comedy Dave was doing may have transposed itself on top of an earlier memory, so when you remember back you 'remember' thinking about an event that hadn't happened yet.

[Vivienne]

Evidence is only not required if you accept things blindly. If want want at least a little proof of something, then you need evidence. As for 'foresight' there are two explanations. The first is that when you consider the number of thoughts that cross our brain every single day, it would actually seem odder if some of them didn't happen, but as people find it much easier to notice what is there and harder to notice what isn't there, people only see the one side of this and assume that it's somehow 'magical'. The other explanation is the fragility of human memory, the memory of whatever Comedy Dave was doing may have transposed itself on top of an earlier memory, so when you remember back you 'remember' thinking about an event that hadn't happened yet.

I don't accept things blindly! How do you explain knowing what another person is thinking, without them having to say a word? How do you explain simply standing beside an individual at a bus-stop for example, and thoughts/words relating to that person coming into your head? Evidence! HA! Who needs it! Not moi!

[Ballbag]

What was it that you knew the other person was thinking, and how was it that you knew that you knew?
I mean, I reckon I know what Yudyud's thinking right now reading this thread, and it don't make me a mind reader.

[Console]

If the other person hasn't said a word, how do you know what you believed they were thinking was correct? Or did you ask them psychically?

[Vivienne]

O! HA! Cons.! You just had to boot that in! I have asked people in the past things that I have thought they were thinking, and it HAS been right! I don't tend to do it with random strangers at bus-stops, incase someone gives me a punch! And I just KNOW stuff! I just DO!

[MK Chris]

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Incidentally I don't believe in psychic events.

well, you seem to have just come up with one!

No I don't. It was a coincidence.

O! HA! Cons.! You just had to boot that in! I have asked people in the past things that I have thought they were thinking, and it HAS been right! I don't tend to do it with random strangers at bus-stops, incase someone gives me a punch! And I just KNOW stuff! I just DO!

I wouldn't be surprised if they just say that you're right to shut you up.

[Ballbag]

It does largely depend on what the situation is Vivian.

I can be sat there, and if I see a lady nearby looking at me I can quite happily state that she's thinking "God DAMN he's sexy..... bom chicka wah wah".

I know what she's thinking but it doesn't mean I'm a mind reader.

[Console]

I have asked people in the past things that I have thought they were thinking, and it HAS been right!

You mean you actually went after evidence and didn't just assume you were correct? I thought you were too 'open minded' to require evidence.

And I just KNOW stuff! I just DO!

Really? What's my favourite colour?

[Vivienne]

I actually went after evidence, yep!! Woo hoo!

And throwing something like "wot's my fave. colour"? is just so petty... things happen out of the blue, not when a person is just put on the spot, and required to boot stuff back. I'll just say blue, tho', just for the hell of it!

[Vivienne]

why can't Console come out of his logical world, if only for 5 minutes!! aaaaaaahhhhh!

[foot-loose]

I don't mind these sorta discussions, but they begin to bug me when people who think they are right try to convince others that they are right.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and to express them, but when people start getting into an argument about "I am right and everyone who disagrees with me is wrong", it can start getting messy.

[Vivienne]

It's not messy! It's just "colour-coded" thread. mark II. Point taken tho', foot-loose

[Ballbag]

Agreed Footsman, and furthermore if you go back to the bottom of the first page of this thread you'll notice that I cracked a right good joke, and as of now my hilarity has still not been praised.

[Vivienne]

viv is praising the hilarity of Mr Balls!

[Console]

And throwing something like "wot's my fave. colour"? is just so petty

Ok, number one, I would never use 'wot' without quoting. And two, I was being facetious; I didn't actually expect you to respond to it at all.

why can't Console come out of his logical world, if only for 5 minutes!! aaaaaaahhhhh!

Probably the same reason you can't come out of your illogical world. Aaaaggh[etc]

I don't mind these sorta discussions, but they begin to bug me when people who think they are right try to convince others that they are right.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about persuading Viv (or anyone else) that my view point is correct while there's is incorrect. I would just love to understand why she believes what she does, as what she says seems quite contradictory to me.

[Vivienne]

And what you say is equally contradictory.

[Console]

In what respect?

[Yudster]

I'm not sure Baggie knows what I'm thinking. I think my opinions on this discussion would surprise even you, viv!

[Vivienne]

well, one minute you say you have believed in all things magic, etc... the next you don't !! I don't believe it's because you simply wanted to find out more! I think something must have happened !