[lalaland]

So Chris Moyles is like your Audi A4 then is it, ride it, then dumpt it, then abuse it.....

I knew a girl like that once !!!

Time for Irony Bin Yudster,

As The man Quincy says, let it lie, winning an argument through patience and longer more accurately typed threads with a 16 year old is a hollow victory.

I am not tring to get any sort of victory with him, just hoping that he'll realise his posts don't need to be abusive and that he doesn't need to get worked up over someone else not sharing the same views as him. I think if he learned this he would make a good addition to this thread with his extremely passionate views on Chris.

Come on Back Fowler, Rant away my good man.

I wish I'd been exposed to this sort of thing when I was 16, it would have been an enourmous help in many ways, and we should allow all comers. It doesn't actually say anywhere it's a Moyles fan site, or anywhere that is an Adults site ( if it did I am sure you would get allot more member.. so to speak)

Smuuty Boboff, thats me, just can't help bringing on the smut, ohh ahh missues !

That's the point, I see nothing wrong with takling about Chris Moyles on a Chris Moyles website, surely it's the right place for that, we are all here to discuss Chris and his show.

I sent a PM to fowler and explained what I was doing and why, politely and in a friendly way. He has now replied and things are sorted, he is no longer angry. That's good enough for me.

[Quincy]

of course you are allowed to have your opinion and of course you are allowed to say it on here. but what sort of response did you expect when you wrote your initial post? ok the torrent of abuse is just silly and childish, but then what else do you expect from a child?

[lalaland]

of course you are allowed to have your opinion and of course you are allowed to say it on here. but what sort of response did you expect when you wrote your initial post? ok the torrent of abuse is just silly and childish, but then what else do you expect from a child?

I expected pretty much how it started out, most of the posts on here are good and exactly what I was looking for. I wanted to see what people on here thought of the show, while it's easy to say that most people are fans and what do you expect etc. some people have agreed with some of the points I made.

As for the abusive posts, that's sorted now via PM and that's fair enough.

The way I see it is that some people like Chris' show, some don't, but there's no point in arguing over it. Debating is good and it helps people understand each other and form views, but arguing over what you like and don't like doesn't help anyone.

My opinion is that Chris isn't what he used to be unfortunately and I now have a better idea of what others think of him too, which is what I came for.

[SAV1OUR]

JAGSEMASH! Hello Lala, you come our internets forum, you do the cultural learnings of christopher moyles. This whole thread strikes me as a culture clash, I've spent way too long reading it and all the time I'm starting to get visions of how Chris is going to take over the world soon, in an Allah like way. I dont need to insult anybody whos made an appearence on this thread, if I wanted to be controversial, I could say Moyles looks like Abu Hamza (Hook). The similarities between the 2 men are vast - OK we dont all sit outside in the dog s*** and listen to him, but we are a 7million strong organisation. You dare mess with the mighty Allah/Moyles, and you shall be buried deep in cheese and onion crisps, in hell! You blasphemist person, you. (somehow you'll be glad we're going to sip champers by the saviour and his harp, and you're going to a completely separate destination, good luck to you!)

And Moyles always gets into trouble with anybody who doesnt like the words he spouts from time to time - nasty horrible swear words, etc! Like Paul the voiceover guy says - You either like it, or hate it, there is NO INBETWEEN. I know which side of the fence I'd rather stay. Lah de Lah, you seem to be a nice bloke, very err, civilised shall we say, but you know what you're not? You just aint rock n roll, methinks you might be more suited to tea and biscuits in an old-style Wogan-ist function someplace, I am sorry you don't 'get' the show though, i really am, if only you saw the light, I have my criticisms, sure, but I dont drone on and on like its the end of the world. At worst I'm suffering from moyles withdrawal symptoms while hes away, but I'm not going to start ripping the show to bits.

Like Chris said before, if you dont get it by now - we don't need you. Thanks for your comments though, I've tried not to be too patronising throughout.

[MC]

I'm with Quincy on this - why do people get so worked up?

If lalaland had come on here and posted along the lines of 'Moyles is sh*t.. blah blah blah' then fair enough, but he's actually raised some good points.

Does anyone else think with Scott Mills doing Chris' show recently that this highlights how much Chris has gone down hill?

Perhaps, but what I would say is that Scott Mills is now at the best he's ever been. Moyles isn't. They just peaked at different times. A 32 year old Chris sitting on a healthy paycheck and record listening figures isn't going to be as daring, creative or cutting-edge as a 24 year old Chris looking to make his mark on Radio 1. His view is 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' - which is fair enough.

At first the shows weren't bad, it took him some time to get adjusted, but then Chris' morning show was excellent and very enjoyable, making the morning rush hour pass quite easily.

Now present day, Chris' show is dull, repetative and seems to suffer from product placement.

I would agree that 2004 was his best year on Breakfast. Last year the show was poor, but this year I think it's been pretty good on the whole.

Dull? No. Repetitive? To a degree, yes. Product placement? When has it ever not had that?

Chris no longer presents a decent show.

Ratings would indicate the opposite - the show is the best it's ever been. I certainly don't think that, but to say it's not a decent show is a bit harsh. I've been saying for ages the features need a re think, and I'm not entirely sure having such a large production team is helping. Rachel is very much a 'play safe' producer (as she has to be really), whereas I would prefer someone a bit more daring with a few more ideas. The banter is still unquestionably good though. Dave still has his moments and Dom is one of the funniest people to have ever worked on the show.

It's not entertaining any longer.

Can't agree there, sorry. For example, the last show Moyles did before the holidays was brilliant, flashes of his old self. Try listen again and listen from the Totally Boyband interview onwards.

I seriously think it's time to replace Chris Moyles and Sarah Cox, the morning show slot has done it's dammage and both are no longer entertaining. I am not calling for Scott to be moved to the morning slot, leave him in the afternoon as the morning show seems to ruin any DJ placed there.

Radio 1 would be committing suicide if they did this. Moyles will be there until he is sacked/quits or his listening figures seriously take a nosedive. All three look unlikely. Cox of course should be replaced, she should have left when she left the Breakfast Show. As for Mills, if Moyles left - of course he'd get Breakfast. He would deserve it too. Do you seriously think Radio 1 would put anyone else from their current line up OR a brand new DJ straight onto Breakfast? When Mills does that show 8 weeks a year and has been filling in on it for seven years?

Chris' attitude is almost one of not caring, can't be bothered, I've made it and don't have to try.

I see where you're coming from. But that can be quite funny. I love it when he's late for the show for example, that's brilliant.

[Orphan]

The fact that you think Scott Mills is an improvement exposes you to be as dull and insipid as Scott Mills himself but maybe not as annoyingly gay.

No doubt you are getting your kicks from Mills' highly original "American Phone Book" feature. This is usually the point where I switch off and tell myself that I won't bother listening in the morning until Chris comes back.

However, I must thank Radio 1 for lumbering us with Mr Camp rather than the utterly useless Sara Cox. Why this woman is still allowed to sully the airwaves is a mystery to me.

A lot more goes into the Chris Moyles show than you are prepared to give credit for. It is a top show for one simple reason and it's the only reason I listen. Listening to the Chris Moyles show is like listening to your friends chatting away in a pub with some (sometimes) good music in the background. You are drawn in. Scott Mills does nothing different, the guy just isn't as good.

After the era of Sara Cox, Jo Whiley et al's self absorbed, cringe worthy radio *, Chris Moyles is the best thing that's happened to Radio 1 in ten years.

And I agree with Steve Wright. Chris Moyles will be the last great Radio 1 DJ.

[Boboff]

:D Me and lalaland have now sorted it out

Excellent stuff, he's an ok guy I reckon.

So are you

[Boboff]

MC impressive post, I've not seen you quote so elloquently before, has lalaland shamed you ?

Fowler, you can't make real enemies in a 2 dimentional environment, but you can make friends !!!

[Andy B]

I only read the entirety of what MC writes, rarely anyone else because MC makes the most sense on here and has a very astute view of both the show and it's perception and comes out with respones that are well thought and logical (quick pass me my MC fan club T-shirt) and has put me in my place once or twice (often when I'm drunkenly rambling).

Lalaland - whilst I don't agree with your views I do respect that you have indeed put them across eloquently and this has sparked one of the most intersting debates on here since I joined. Out of interest what is your background with "The Chris Moyles Show"? - I'd be interested to know when you started listening and why and also when you decided that maybe he'd reached his best? I get the impression you were once a fan and now not so much (you may have said so I don't read everything though, I'm lazy). I'd just be intersted to know when you changed your mind and what, if there is a what helped to change your mind. Also how much of the show do you currently listen to?

[lalaland]

The fact that you think Scott Mills is an improvement exposes you to be as dull and insipid as Scott Mills himself

Or maybe it shows that I have a different view to yourself.

but maybe not as annoyingly gay.

Annoyingly gay? How can someone's sexual preference be annoying to you? Are you uncomfortable or unsure about your current sexual choices?

I'm a hetrosexual male and don't have a problem with Scott's or anyone else's choice, homosexual or hetrosexual or even a bit of both. Why do you consider his choice to be annoying?

No doubt you are getting your kicks from Mills' highly original "American Phone Book" feature. This is usually the point where I switch off and tell myself that I won't bother listening in the morning until Chris comes back.

Not really, it's about on the same level as Chris' show but at least it's a little more imaginative.

However, I must thank Radio 1 for lumbering us with Mr Camp rather than the utterly useless Sara Cox. Why this woman is still allowed to sully the airwaves is a mystery to me.

We agree here, she's long past the sell by date and surely it's time she vanished from the airwaves only to be brought back up on those Christmas TV shows that look back at the recent mistakes broadcasting companies have made.

A lot more goes into the Chris Moyles show than you are prepared to give credit for. It is a top show for one simple reason and it's the only reason I listen. Listening to the Chris Moyles show is like listening to your friends chatting away in a pub with some (sometimes) good music in the background. You are drawn in. Scott Mills does nothing different, the guy just isn't as good.

If you like the style of show you describe you should try Russell Brand's radio show, much better.

After the era of Sara Cox, Jo Whiley et al's self absorbed, cringe worthy radio *, Chris Moyles is the best thing that's happened to Radio 1 in ten years.

I wouldn't go that far, I'd rather listen to the likes of Spoony or Vernon Kay.

And I agree with Steve Wright. Chris Moyles will be the last great Radio 1 DJ.

Unfortunately he's not yet extinct

[lalaland]

I only read the entirety of what MC writes, rarely anyone else because MC makes the most sense on here and has a very astute view of both the show and it's perception and comes out with respones that are well thought and logical (quick pass me my MC fan club T-shirt) and has put me in my place once or twice (often when I'm drunkenly rambling).

Lalaland - whilst I don't agree with your views I do respect that you have indeed put them across eloquently and this has sparked one of the most intersting debates on here since I joined.

Thanks AndyB, it's nice to be able to chat to the more friendly side of this forum, despite me sorting out the differences with Fowler earlier and finding that he's actually ok there are still others wanting to knock me for daring to have my own oppions and that's quite sad really on a discussion forum.

Out of interest what is your background with "The Chris Moyles Show"? - I'd be interested to know when you started listening

I used to listen to his afternoon show, pretty much from the start, during the good old days of Greyhead and the decent content. His show used to make my drive home an enjoyable one and often gave us a few minutes to laugh about in the pub later when someone would say "did you hear this on Chris Moyles". That was then though, now it doesn't happen sadly.

and why and also when you decided that maybe he'd reached his best?

When he moved to the morning show his first few shows were not up to scratch and I was dissapointed, then over the next few weeks he got better, much better and I was enjoying his show again. Unfortunatly he's dropped off again, I can't quite remember when it started, but his attitude and approach has changed. Even 'comedy' Dave is more like Dave than the once deserved comedy title. It's more like they turn up just to get it done than turn up to make a decent go at the show.

I get the impression you were once a fan and now not so much (you may have said so I don't read everything though, I'm lazy). I'd just be intersted to know when you changed your mind and what, if there is a what helped to change your mind.

I changed from being a fan when his morning shows went down hill. I don't hate Chris, I think he still has potential, but he seems to feel he's reached the top and no longer needs to try, maybe if he was suddenly dropped from Radio One it would shock him in to putting the effort back in and return Chris to his old glory.

Also how much of the show do you currently listen to?

I listen in on some mornings while trying to find something to listen to. With the poor choice in morning radio I normally flick from station to station now where as once I would just stay on Radio One.

[Andy B]

When he moved to the morning show his first few shows were not up to scratch and I was dissapointed, then over the next few weeks he got better, much better and I was enjoying his show again. Unfortunatly he's dropped off again, I can't quite remember when it started, but his attitude and approach has changed. Even 'comedy' Dave is more like Dave than the once deserved comedy title. It's more like they turn up just to get it done than turn up to make a decent go at the show.

I'll give you this you certainly know how to make an entrance onto a forum!

As for the above it sounds like you fit in with a lot of the people who've been here a while, mostly but not all the 5* and over catagory. I've had similar discussions with them and I've often bemoaned the Chris-was-better-doing-the-early/saturday/afternoon/capital *(delete as appropriate) show-and-isn't-as-good-any-more crowd who to my mind endlessly banged on about the "glory days" of Moyles' career. I for one have also listened pretty much since the start but only recently became a member and still find myself laughing at Chris in the morning so find no fault in him and I had a few run ins with some people on here.

I've since mellowed out quite a bit (in honesty I'm drinking less!) and now just take it in my stride that different people think Moyles was or is at his best at differnet times.

I've argued with people about Rachel being too serious, Moyles doing the same features and not doing enough song parodies etc and I've figured out it all comes down to personal preference. For me it's whether or not the show make me laugh now not whethe I laugh more or less than I did. It does so it passes my test.

I think there should be a sign above the entrance to this place that says "Warning! Not everyone will agree with your position" you'd think people would know that but....

[Yudster]

but maybe not as annoyingly gay.

Annoyingly gay? How can someone's sexual preference be annoying to you? Are you uncomfortable or unsure about your current sexual choices?

I'm a hetrosexual male and don't have a problem with Scott's or anyone else's choice, homosexual or hetrosexual or even a bit of both. Why do you consider his choice to be annoying?

Ok, just to put my oar in on this "annoyingly gay" thing - like you, and I imagine like most people, anyone else's sexual preference is of no interest to me (unless I happen to fancy them, at which point it becomes of vital importance!). However, there is a stereotypical form of behaviour which is often displayed ("display" being a very aposite word here) by gay men, which is often very annoying to people who prefer not to be assailed by the affectations of others. Perhaps the most obvious description of this is "camp", but it can go much further.

Anyway, I think it is perfectly possible and reasonable to be annoyed by someone's "gay behaviour" (which is an affectation, therefore a choice) without making any such judgement about their sexuality (which is not an affectation, and not a choice). I can be annoyed by someone's campness without being remotely bothered by their homosexuality, the two things are not inevitably linked. Perhaps this is what Orphan meant. Although, whilst Scott is camper than he used to be, he really isn't particularly so at all, so maybe not......

[lalaland]

I'll give you this you certainly know how to make an entrance onto a forum!

I was planning fireworks and dancing girls on each arm, but felt that may be over the top.

I think there should be a sign above the entrance to this place that says "Warning! Not everyone will agree with your position" you'd think people would know that but....

I am all for people not agreeing with me, that's part of the attraction to forums, debating. However it's when people start throwing insults at you because of your views, this low level intelligence is similar to those that can't accept others that are a different colour or religion. The innability to accept people with a different view or belief is something that causes problems in our society. Admittedly on this occasion it's not as serious, but there are 2 lots of people on this site it seems. One lot accept I don't share their views and discuss it with me, this is great. The other lot see my views and try to go on some sort of personal attack, this seems a little weird really, they are my views about a radio show and it's host.

Anyway, it's been an interesting thread

[Orphan]

but maybe not as annoyingly gay.

Annoyingly gay? How can someone's sexual preference be annoying to you? Are you uncomfortable or unsure about your current sexual choices?

I'm a hetrosexual male and don't have a problem with Scott's or anyone else's choice, homosexual or hetrosexual or even a bit of both. Why do you consider his choice to be annoying?

Ok, just to put my oar in on this "annoyingly gay" thing - like you, and I imagine like most people, anyone else's sexual preference is of no interest to me (unless I happen to fancy them, at which point it becomes of vital importance!). However, there is a stereotypical form of behaviour which is often displayed ("display" being a very aposite word here) by gay men, which is often very annoying to people who prefer not to be assailed by the affectations of others. Perhaps the most obvious description of this is "camp", but it can go much further.
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That is exactly my point. Camper than a row of tents.

[Orphan]

Seeing as you want to kiss Mill's butt so much why don't you do it on his own page instead of going on and on and on on this site?

You're getting on my tits.

[lalaland]

Seeing as you want to kiss Mill's butt so much why don't you do it on his own page instead of going on and on and on on this site?

You're getting on my tits.

I presume this is aimed at me, but not sure why. I have not stated that I'm a fan of Mills and certainly not that I want to engage in any homosexual activity with him, although I notice this is the second time you've touched the gay subject with him, maybe you are harbouring feelings for him, that's ok though, I respect your decisions and views.

As for me 'getting on your tits', you are exactly the type of person I was speaking about in my last post. It seems while the more mature people on this site are welcoming to new users despite their views, you seem to lack the ability to get on with or talk civilly to anyone that doesn't agree with yourself. This is sad, it's always a shame when you find people unable to accept others and their views just for being different. You don't have to agree with me, but being abusive doesn't solve anything, it only shows your ignorance.

Luckily there are many friendly members on here it seems and quite a few that have engaged in conversation on this thread. Again they don't all agree with me, although a few do on some of my points, yet they are all able to hold a sensible and friendly debate on this subject without having to resort to abuse or unfriendliness.

Being a member of many forums and running one myself I always think it's a shame when a minority of members let down the rest of the members and the site itself by being abusive to new members, especially when it's down to their own inability to accept others with a different view to themselves. Forums thrive on users, without new users they eventually get stale but with the addition of new users, especially those with a different view to others they can be very interesting and a good place to debate views and learn from each other.

[Console]

Crap split, please stop with the personal insults, thankyou.

[Ballbag]

Yawn

Are you a tired little orphan? You keep yawning. Although if I yawned I wouldn't feel the need to type it, but hey ho.

Do you want to go a-nun-nights? Poor little lamb must be very tired after typing all of those big words today.

Oh and by the way, who says "jerk"? We're not in 1980's america.

[Ballbag]

Crap split, please stop with the personal insults, thankyou.

ok.....................................................................poo poo head.

[Orphan]

I'm just waiting for the overly elaborate critique from Lalaland as he has an answer for everything wheteher anyone wants to know or not.

[Yudster]

lol!

[Ballbag]

Orphan, and this is in all seriousness, this is a chat forum. People come here to air their view, and discuss things, mainly Chris Moyles. Now if you think that someone is talking pap, or you don't agree with them, or as you just implied, you don't want to know .... then a very simple thing to do is not read them, try it.

[Orphan]

I never said I didn't want to read it. His self importance amuses me. as does your inability to concede the last word.

[Ballbag]

ok