[Munki Bhoy]

I heard that feature read by the woman from Radio 4 today... if those are real emails sent in (and I'm not entirely sure they are, but with Mills' listeners you never can tell), they are written by complete retards.

Tongue sticking out winking smilie.

[Johnny 1989]

I am currently half way through listening to the last week of the Moyles show before they went off on holiday. This is the third week that I have listened to it. The fact that the constant adverts for the 'upcoming' Big Weekend are making me twitch should give you an idea of how much I want to avoid listening to Mills.

If they're making you twitch, listen to some in the archive, where you'll hear adverts for John Peel's Show, "The Milennium", Sara Cox's Breakfast Show & early ads for 1Xtra

I've been thru all the previous week's shows on Listen Again, all my podcasts and almost everything in the archive that I hadn't already listened to. I'm even starting to miss doing my Tedious of an evening! My flatmate was somewhat confused when he came into my room and heard a snippet of a 2005 breakfast show emanating from my pc...

Same thing happened with my Mum, my PC's in the dining room & I was editing one of the shows from 2000, Newsbeat was on at that point and Dominic had started reading out about a murder that had happened and my Mum's reaction was "What is it with people these days, keep killing people". I had to explain to her that it was an old show, she is 65 in a few weeks, bless

[MK Chris]

65? Aren't you 25? You have an old mum. But then I have a young mum, so perhaps I'm basing it too much on that.

[English Bob]

I can safely sum up a 'link' on Mills show here.

Mills: 'Hey Chops, you know [INSERT POP CULTURE/FAD ITEM HERE]?'
Chappers: *apprehensively*' ...Yeah?'
Mills: 'Well I reckon we should get one for the studio. It'd be great!'
Chappers: '...Okay.'
Becky: *laughs for no reason* My boyfriends Greek you know! How whacky is that!
Mills: 'Heres the new single from Basshunter!'

*Chappers shoots himself in the head*

[foot-loose]

Is Becky the same person as Laura? She sounds just as irritating.

[Yudster]

65? Aren't you 25? You have an old mum. But then I have a young mum, so perhaps I'm basing it too much on that.

Ahem. I was 40 when I had Baby Yudster...............

[MK Chris]

Apologies...

[Johnny 1989]

65? Aren't you 25? You have an old mum. But then I have a young mum, so perhaps I'm basing it too much on that.

Yep, I'm 26 this year, my Dad was married once before that's why they had me & my younger brother (22) at such a late age, my Dad was 60 this year.

On the flip side, one of the girls who used to live down my street & is 24 has 3 kids

[MK Chris]

Ah well - my mum was 25 when she had my brother, her third child. But she was married at 18 in fairness.

[Johnny 1989]

Ah well - my mum was 25 when she had my brother, her third child. But she was married at 18 in fairness.

Ah ok fair enough, sorry I was generalising in my previous, apologies

[Nicola_Red]

Times have changed a lot, tho. Topher, your mum must have got married in what, 1981-ish? Back then society still expected most girls to want to marry and start producing babies as soon as they finished school (or college if they were middle class). Now women are expected to postpone that stuff to have a career first. In lower working class families like mine many girls still follow the 'leave school and get pregnant with first of several' pattern - most of my female cousins and second cousins, and the girlfriends of my male cousins, have done that - it's just seen differently now.

That said, medically speaking, 30 is 'old' to have a first child. My womens studies lecturer told us that, when in hospital to have her first baby at 33, she saw the words ancient prima gavida on her chart.

[Yudster]

That said, medically speaking, 30 is 'old' to have a first child. My womens studies lecturer told us that, when in hospital to have her first baby at 33, she saw the words ancient prima gavida on her chart.

The medical term for someone of that age having a first baby isn't "ancient" but "elderly prima gravida". I think your lecturer may have been playing up the inherent humour in the term.

[Nicola_Red]

either that or I've remembered it wrongly. It's been a few years since my MA now and I'm clearly also getting old..!

[Johnny 1989]

30 isn't old though, I hate that they class expectant Mums over 30 as "old", that must really make them feel good.

[Yudster]

Its not a value judgement, its a medical one. Of course 30 isn't old, but medically speaking having your first child at that age or over can often present certain issues which need to be taken into consideration with your ante-natal care. The use of the word "elderly" isn't a social one, its a medical one which is used to make sure nothing is missed from your care.

[Johnny 1989]

Its not a value judgement, its a medical one. Of course 30 isn't old, but medically speaking having your first child at that age or over can often present certain issues which need to be taken into consideration with your ante-natal care. The use of the word "elderly" isn't a social one, its a medical one which is used to make sure nothing is missed from your care.

Ah ok, fair enough, just a shame they couldn't come up with a "better" word for expectant Mums over 30

[Yudster]

Well, it wouldn't always be used over 30, only if its a first pregnancy at that age. But by the time you get to 40 and are still impudent enough to think you can reproduce, even if you've done it before, they really go out of their way to point out your decreptitude!

[MK Chris]

What age, then, is too old to give birth (morally as opposed to medically)? I'd have said that going into your 50s is too old, but people still do it - and it doesn't matter how much they defend themselves by saying that medical science has only just caught up and I and I'm sure many others sympathise with that... but quite a lot of people die in their 60s and 70s realistically. I know the average age of death is going up all the time (at least I think it still is) but even so, the child is left with the prospect of it being far more likely of being left without a parent whilst still in childhood.

[Yudster]

I wouldn't presume to tell anyone who is physically capable and emotionally willing to have a child that they shouldn't. But I might think it. I heard last week about a 66 year old woman who is having a baby - I can't really believe that's a great idea, but you have to assume that she (and presumably her partner) has thought it through and taken the obvious issues into account.

For me personally, I reckon 40 was quite old enough. To be honest I don't think my body would handle another pregnancy, I have a condition which makes it very difficult for me being pregnant, and it is a condition which gets worse with each subsequent pregnancy, so I really don't think I could do it again. But from a "moral" angle, well, even if I found pregnancy easy I wouldn't (deliberately) do it now, I really do think I'm too old.

[MK Chris]

Nah, I reckon it's just because you were a problem child.

[Johnny 1989]

From the prospective of the child with a mum who was 41 when she had me, it's crap. The age gap causes so much problems as she can't understand how things have changed for me to how it was with my 2 step-siblings who are in the 30's now. If she was much younger when she had me, I'm sure our relationship may have been a lot easier as she would have some memory of being young rather than what she is told it's like through the media.

I sort of know where your coming from. My Dad (who is 60) I have no problem explaining stuff to him that us "youngster" like, although when it comes to music & comedy like Scrubs it's a waste of sodding time. My Mum (65 in just under two weeks) it's a bit more difficult & she uses the term "that's the trouble with you youngsters today...."

The other thing to point out is that my Mum has worked with people aged 30+ for the last 15-20 years, whereas my Dad works in Tescos (he retired from the Electric Board in 1996) and because quite a few youngsters work at Tesco's with him, he more or less understands the "youngsters" a lot more than my Mum.

[MK Chris]

Scrubs is occasionally fairly amusing.

[Johnny 1989]

Scrubs is occasionally fairly amusing.

I think Scrubs is great, a lot better than some of the crap that has come out from the States over the last 10-15 years.

However a few people I know don't like it either, although those who do think it's excellent. It does get a bit silly sometimes though, especially in later series.

[Boboff]

My opinion about age and children is what ever age you are you have to be a parent, care and nurture your child, with love, boundaries, discipline and rewards, praise and the building of self worth. You can do that at fifteen or fifty. The problem is bad parents, who are so * selfish, self centered and ugly inside that they shouldn't be able to raise a goat let alone a child.

Yeah I know I got * issues, get over it, and I will try too!

[Bonanzoid]

Scrubs is occasionally fairly amusing.

I think Scrubs is great, a lot better than some of the crap that has come out from the States over the last 10-15 years.

However a few people I know don't like it either, although those who do think it's excellent. It does get a bit silly sometimes though, especially in later series.

I think Scrubs is my favourite US program. It got a wee bit shit in series 7, but I think series 8 was pretty great actually. I'm gutted to see it end and I'm pretty skeptical about what series 9 will be like without the main characters.