[DevilsDuck]

This isn't the place for in depth football chat, but needless to say you're wrong from both a footballing and financial perspective about the club and you seem to be equating an unwillingness to put a business into heavy debt with a lack of long term ambition, but if the player wants one big last payday and to fudge the reasons about why he wants it then all the best.

But you have to speculate to accumuate!

But I agree about RVP, its a bit disrespectful!

My interview went brilliantly, so I'm very happy now. Got a second one next week, got mocked about wearing a tie. Think I messed up by asking for too much and then backtracking. Tried to style it out though...

/smooth

[dimtimjim]

Under 30 is young, so you jus' about pass. Get ready for body falling apart within next 12 months...

[Bruvva]

http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2012/07/creationist-view-on-show-at-new-giants.html

WHY something as obviously BALLS as creationism given a seconds thought is beyond me.

"In this exhibition we also acknowledge that for some people, this debate continues today and we reflect and respect the fact that creationists today have a different perspective on the age of the Earth from that of mainstream science."

MAINSTREAM science? It's either scientific or it isn't. There is science and there are fairytales and creationism belongs firmly in the latter category.

[Nicola_Red]

That's some remarkable intolerance.

(I am not a creationist by the way, before anyone asks.)

[Bruvva]

Creationism pretends to be a science, it isn't. Not by any definition of the word.

[Nicola_Red]

And why can't you just let them pretend? They're not harming you.

[The Deadly]

I annoyed at the price of chicken at Waitrose. You get less in the pack and pay about a quid more for it.

[Bruvva]

And why can't you just let them pretend? They're not harming you.

Today, because I'm hungover and grumpy, but mainly because if this kind of thing isn't challenged and pointed out to be totally wrong then it's only a short step from there to creationism being taught as a science in schools.

[Nicola_Red]

That'll never happen in the UK. In the US maybe, but who knows what goes on there. I believe in respecting people's right to their beliefs. The belief that God created everything is reasonably popular, and telling people they are "totally wrong" won't change anything.

[Dexy]

What's annoying me today? Hearing Chris Moyles do his high pitched voice from this morning's show. It's so annoying, and he seems to find an excuse to do it every other day. STOP IT CHRIS!

[James H]

What's annoying me today? Hearing Chris Moyles do his high pitched voice from this morning's show. It's so annoying, and he seems to find an excuse to do it every other day. STOP IT CHRIS!

Not just me that grated on then. Phew.

[Nicola_Red]

I find it funny on occasion, but you're right, he does overplay it.

[Travis Bickle]

I find it funny on occasion, but you're right, he does overplay it.

I havent heard todays show in full yet. What voice? The one he did in the handover pretending to be a child?

[Bruvva]

That'll never happen in the UK. In the US maybe, but who knows what goes on there. I believe in respecting people's right to their beliefs. The belief that God created everything is reasonably popular, and telling people they are "totally wrong" won't change anything.

No, certain views have to be challenged and dismissed. Creationism is a nasty attempt by religions to try and make it look as if their beliefs are scientific, they're not, they're beliefs and that's fine but creationism is in no way a valid scientific field. Even the European Parliament is worried about it creeping into modern life -

"On October 4, 2007, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe adopted its resolution 1580 titled The dangers of creationism in education. The resolution observed that "the war on the theory of evolution and on its proponents most often originates in forms of religious extremism which are closely allied to extreme right-wing political movements", and urged member states "to firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory of evolution and in general resist presentation of creationist ideas in any discipline other than religion""

[DevilsDuck]

I annoyed at the price of chicken at Waitrose. You get less in the pack and pay about a quid more for it.

That's fowl, you should shop at the usual place... That would earn you a nice little nest egg!

[Nicola_Red]

That'll never happen in the UK. In the US maybe, but who knows what goes on there. I believe in respecting people's right to their beliefs. The belief that God created everything is reasonably popular, and telling people they are "totally wrong" won't change anything.

No, certain views have to be challenged and dismissed. Creationism is a nasty attempt by religions to try and make it look as if their beliefs are scientific, they're not, they're beliefs and that's fine but creationism is in no way a valid scientific field. Even the European Parliament is worried about it creeping into modern life -

"On October 4, 2007, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe adopted its resolution 1580 titled The dangers of creationism in education. The resolution observed that "the war on the theory of evolution and on its proponents most often originates in forms of religious extremism which are closely allied to extreme right-wing political movements", and urged member states "to firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory of evolution and in general resist presentation of creationist ideas in any discipline other than religion""

I don't know much about the allegiance to right-wing politics so I'll have to claim ignorance on that. Looking at their website, they don't describe it as a science but do claim to be doing scientific research, but it's a lot to try to take in whilst at work! I am not the sort of person to dismiss anyone's beliefs out of hand.

[Nicola_Red]

I find it funny on occasion, but you're right, he does overplay it.

I havent heard todays show in full yet. What voice? The one he did in the handover pretending to be a child?

That's the one. He also did it in the 'Aled's Nursery' clip that's in the vault from a few weeks ago, which to be fair is quite funny.

[The Deadly]

I annoyed at the price of chicken at Waitrose. You get less in the pack and pay about a quid more for it.

That's fowl, you should shop at the usual place... That would earn you a nice little nest egg!

You do make an eggcellent point actually. The prices in Waitrose are a yolk!

[James H]

I find it funny on occasion, but you're right, he does overplay it.

I havent heard todays show in full yet. What voice? The one he did in the handover pretending to be a child?

That's the one.

The bit that annoyed me was when he was talking about Dave being on 5Live, at just gone 9am.


^ that.

[Travis Bickle]

http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2012/07/creationist-view-on-show-at-new-giants.html

WHY something as obviously BALLS as creationism given a seconds thought is beyond me.

"In this exhibition we also acknowledge that for some people, this debate continues today and we reflect and respect the fact that creationists today have a different perspective on the age of the Earth from that of mainstream science."

MAINSTREAM science? It's either scientific or it isn't. There is science and there are fairytales and creationism belongs firmly in the latter category.

Completely agree.

Stephen Evans at the National Secular Society explains why: "It's extremely disappointing to see the National Trust giving credence to bogus creationist explanations for this world famous heritage site. Visitors, many of whom will be children on school trips, expect to be informed at the new Centre, not presented with religious propaganda.

"We've seen how Christian fundamentalists have gained ground in promoting creationist nonsense in the United States; we must be vigilant and not allow those kinds of ideas to gain a foothold in this country".

And Brian Cox is even more succinct: "I don't mind creation stories presented as mythology, but to suggest there is any debate that Earth is 4.54 billion years old is pure shit"

I work with a couple of creationists and there is no reasoning with them. All you get from them is that "it's in the bible".

Religious types can believe whatever they like but the moment they put their views out in public they are open to be challenged.

[chrysostom]

I'm quite religious, but I think creationism is awful nonsense that has no place in today's society. People need to stop taking the Bible literally.

[DevilsDuck]

I get my chicken from the co(-) op

[The Deadly]

I get my chicken from the co(-) op

Thats just abysmal.........

[DevilsDuck]

I get my chicken from the co(-) op

Thats just abysmal.........

* off!

[dimtimjim]

In fact I go to bed in dinosaur tshirts

Nyyyyyyyyyyyyng.

**goes cross eye'd and reaches for cigarettes**