[JonnyYesno]

In which case go and pursue your sanctimonious ideals in the real world instead of baiting people on the internet.

The very fact you saw fit to write that sentence given your "contribution" to this forum makes you a contemptible hypocrite.

Oh! someone else said they weren't upset by my comments because it's like "I like him, you don't, so what?" Obviously you're a bit more touchy, hence the name calling.

[foot-loose]

Does this mean I need to go back onto the Will Young forum again? I wonder what my user name was...

[Yudster]

In which case go and pursue your sanctimonious ideals in the real world instead of baiting people on the internet.

The very fact you saw fit to write that sentence given your "contribution" to this forum makes you a contemptible hypocrite.

Oh! someone else said they weren't upset by my comments because it's like "I like him, you don't, so what?" Obviously you're a bit more touchy, hence the name calling.

Apropos of nothing, "contemptible hypocrite" isn't name calling, its a description. "Stupid cretin of a contemptible hypocrite" would have been name calling. For example.

[Johnny 1989]

Your statement that you would like to stop people having opinions about differences in race, culture, sexual preferences, or home land is naive and belittles the importance of other issues like Malaria, starvation and poor sanitation.

Quite the opposite, I think expressing these opinions and rationally exploring how we should all share the planet in peace without upsetting eachother is of paramount importance. You've misquoted me there.

Oh and "nasty" Chris just spent a week of his life climbing a mountain to raise money for those people, and for those causes. He makes up an on the spot parody about Will Young, who has got camper since he won Pop Idol, and you think thats important!

Moyles has not stopped yanking that chain since he returned. He steered every conversation onto this collosal feat of endurance and just when he's maximised his exposure his quiz show is launched. Does that not look like cynical exploitation to you, even through your Moyles goggles.

You are therefore a Wanker, and you should just * off.

See, you're part of the problem but why not just shrug it off and accept the declining standards of entertainment you're willing to accept.

So, JonnyYesno, you can tell me that you have never in your entire life taken the p*ss out of someone in your life?

Plus also where do you stand on people discriminating against Moyles' size? Oh yes I forgot it's all game when it comes to fat people isn't it because "they chose to be fat"

The fact is it was a joke, hardly the worst joke in the world, in fact I have heard far more derogatory jokes regarding gay people, even by "established comedians".

Why don't Moyles haters just go away & listen to someone else, it's like your entire lives revolve around moaning about him go & do something else if you don't like him rather than bash him all the time.

[thenamesarnold]

He steered every conversation onto this collosal feat of endurance and just when he's maximised his exposure his quiz show is launched. Does that not look like cynical exploitation to you, even through your Moyles goggles.

Friendly discussion is fine, however you have come here to invoke a response by insulting members (Moyles Goggles is just asking for a nasty reply)and pointing out every possible negative of Chris !!! Either play nice or don't post at all.

[JonnyYesno]

Apropos of nothing, "contemptible hypocrite" isn't name calling, its a description. "Stupid cretin of a contemptible hypocrite" would have been name calling. For example.

There's yer Moyles humour - take a bow.

Confronted with a criticism about him, rather than discuss you want to go all Black Adder with your compounded insults.

Imagine for one moment Yudster we were good friends (we're getting there eh?) and you were openly gay. Would me singing to you in a silly voice "you're gay" constitute a pisstake, even though I'm stating the obvious. Where would be the humour? Also, would you laugh along with me or wonder why the hell I was saying that?

The only way that could work as a pisstake is if I was trying to imply that there was something wrong with being gay. That is homophobia. It may indeed not be intended to offend you, but nevertheless it's wrong.

That's the subject of this thread (which I didn't start) posted by another fan who I guess wanted to prompt a discussion but seems to have been hijacked by your paranoia.

(Ha Moyles Goggles is nothing compared to the insults I've received. 'Play nice' indeed)

[Johnny 1989]

Apropos of nothing, "contemptible hypocrite" isn't name calling, its a description. "Stupid cretin of a contemptible hypocrite" would have been name calling. For example.

There's yer Moyles humour - take a bow.

Confronted with a criticism about him, rather than discuss you want to go all Black Adder with your compounded insults.

Imagine for one moment Yudster we were good friends (we're getting there eh?) and you were openly gay. Would me singing to you in a silly voice "you're gay" constitute a pisstake, even though I'm stating the obvious. Where would be the humour? Also, would you laugh along with me or wonder why the hell I was saying that?

The only way that could work as a pisstake is if I was trying to imply that there was something wrong with being gay. That is homophobia. It may indeed not be intended to offend you, but nevertheless it's wrong.

That's the subject of this thread (which I didn't start) posted by another fan who I guess wanted to prompt a discussion but seems to have been hijacked by your paranoia.

(Ha Moyles Goggles is nothing compared to the insults I've received. 'Play nice' indeed)

Erm, no, he in now way said it was wrong to be gay at all, where do you get that from? Did you hear the original broadcast or did you read it in the gutter press where they twist everything just to sell their useless rags?

[foot-loose]

Apropos of nothing, "contemptible hypocrite" isn't name calling, its a description. "Stupid cretin of a contemptible hypocrite" would have been name calling. For example.

There's yer Moyles humour - take a bow.

Confronted with a criticism about him, rather than discuss you want to go all Black Adder with your compounded insults.

Imagine for one moment Yudster we were good friends (we're getting there eh?) and you were openly gay. Would me singing to you in a silly voice "you're gay" constitute a pisstake, even though I'm stating the obvious. Where would be the humour? Also, would you laugh along with me or wonder why the hell I was saying that?

The only way that could work as a pisstake is if I was trying to imply that there was something wrong with being gay. That is homophobia. It may indeed not be intended to offend you, but nevertheless it's wrong.

That's the subject of this thread (which I didn't start) posted by another fan who I guess wanted to prompt a discussion but seems to have been hijacked by your paranoia.

(Ha Moyles Goggles is nothing compared to the insults I've received. 'Play nice' indeed)

Did you hear the broadcast?

[C-Kay]

Apropos of nothing, "contemptible hypocrite" isn't name calling, its a description. "Stupid cretin of a contemptible hypocrite" would have been name calling. For example.

There's yer Moyles humour - take a bow.

Confronted with a criticism about him, rather than discuss you want to go all Black Adder with your compounded insults.

Imagine for one moment Yudster we were good friends (we're getting there eh?) and you were openly gay. Would me singing to you in a silly voice "you're gay" constitute a pisstake, even though I'm stating the obvious. Where would be the humour? Also, would you laugh along with me or wonder why the hell I was saying that?

The only way that could work as a pisstake is if I was trying to imply that there was something wrong with being gay. That is homophobia. It may indeed not be intended to offend you, but nevertheless it's wrong.

That's the subject of this thread (which I didn't start) posted by another fan who I guess wanted to prompt a discussion but seems to have been hijacked by your paranoia.

(Ha Moyles Goggles is nothing compared to the insults I've received. 'Play nice' indeed)

You take life way too seriously

[JonnyYesno]

Erm, no, he in now way said it was wrong to be gay at all, where do you get that from? Did you hear the original broadcast or did you read it in the gutter press where they twist everything just to sell their useless rags?

I didn't say that - read the post properly.

Yes I heard it myself and I don't read those papers although they just seemed to report the factual transcript and ofcom's findings anyway.

[LilTerror]

I don't get you Moyle's haters...if he is such a 'nasty piece of work' why on earth do you listen to his radio show (thanks for upping the listener figures by the way) and why do you use your spare time to come on fan forums to make derogatory comments about him? Do you really have nothing better to do?!

[Johnny 1989]

Erm, no, he in now way said it was wrong to be gay at all, where do you get that from? Did you hear the original broadcast or did you read it in the gutter press where they twist everything just to sell their useless rags?

I didn't say that - read the post properly.

Yes I heard it myself and I don't read those papers although they just seemed to report the factual transcript and ofcom's findings anyway.

Well you obviously took it to heart to much, I take it your not a fan of stand up then because much, much, much worse is said in a stand up routine.

[TIAL]

I realise that this may be called 'feeding the troll', but I'm bored so what the heck.

JonnyYesno, may I politely ask why you are here again? You didn't answer my question last time. Is it to convert us to having a better taste in radio, or do you simply want to tell us why we're wrong in liking him?
Also, what sort of thing do you think he should be replaced with? You've been happy to judge the current breakfast radio DJ, who do you think would be a better, more wholesome replacement?

[JonnyYesno]

I realise that this may be called 'feeding the troll', but I'm bored so what the heck.

JonnyYesno, may I politely ask why you are here again? You didn't answer my question last time. Is it to convert us to having a better taste in radio, or do you simply want to tell us why we're wrong in liking him?
Also, what sort of thing do you think he should be replaced with? You've been happy to judge the current breakfast radio DJ, who do you think would be a better, more wholesome replacement?

As you don't ask every newbie why they are here I thought it unnecessary to answer you. Anyway, I'm here because I originally liked Radio1 (275/285 MW) way back to Simon Mayo's breakfast show. Then there was the step change when Evans came in from his exposure on Big Breakfast. Wow, that show really was new and although Evans produced sparks of genius he was flawed in many ways, and eventually went wacko as we all know. That was the start of team-sycophancy and allowed DJ's to get away with a lot of bullying (really ugly public displays of cowardly arrogance). Probably a more tempered version of Evans is the perfect personality for breakfast radio. Riding on this wave of innovation, Moyles arrives with the remit of recreating that chaos and excitement, but he can't. I just don't think he has the quick wit, imagination, charm to keep you enthralled for three hours - and I want my money back. But most importantly he's unfortunatley ignorant and anti-intellectual like so may modern entertainers and although that elbow-nudging laddishness can seem accessible and endearing, it becomes thin very quickly.

What's wrong with expecting better standards of humour, interview, team entertainment from the investment in time you put in to listen. Don't you find it worrying that grown men with experience in broadcasting fall back on fart/boob/knob gags far too often or witter amongst themselves unaware that there's 8m people joylessly subjected to hearing about their mundane domestic arrangements. It's all somewhat depressing that he hears this himself and accepts this as great entertainment, five years on.

So, I'm here (unlike the other recent newbies) to discuss what you guys see in Moylsie and to objectively discuss his good and bad qualities. The most current thread is interesting because it addresses how actions or expressions can subconciously be engineered to be hurtful (if that is the case). If so, what's his motivation in doing so? Is he a closet racist or homophobe? I don't know but his gaffs provide evidence that when being spontaneous he can 'forget' where he is.Of course I doubt he is but he's not aware that those subjects are very serious for a lot of people including some of his listeners who don't want to have their intelligence insulted while driving to work. Plainly nobody here finds this interesting or they want to dismiss such questions as ones that could only originate from a 'troll'. My loss not yours.

Anyway, don't you guys want a better quality of entertainment or does Moyles satisfy all you breakfast radio needs?

[TIAL]

Thankyou for the reply, at least you show your reasons for not liking him rather than most who just come on here to say 'he's a fat idiot' and leave.
However, I think you're barking up the wrong tree asking 'does Moyles satisfy all you breakfast radio needs?' on a Moyles fan site. Perhaps a more even debate could be found on the Digitalspy Radio forums.

[S4B]

Mr Troll! I too remember 275 to 285. I remember Mike Reid, Simon Mayo etc and I remember being disappointed in the shows that took over but yes Chris does satisfy all my breakfast needs. He makes me laugh, he entertains me and the show informs me of what I need to know. If his "listeners don't want their intelligence insulted" then I suggest they shouldn't be listening to him and should listen to either their local BBC Breakfast show or to Radio 4 (Foots I don't think Wogan would want these listeners either!) I think that you just don't "get" him and as such should listen to something you do "get". Why make your life miserable by listening to something you don't like? There are hundreds of radio stations out there so why not try something else? If enough people agree with your point of view then Chris won't be there in 6 months and you will have your wish.

I think you'll find that the majority of his listeners disagree with you.

A question just for you though why do you listen to Radio One if you're not enjoying it are you just trying to stay in with the "young crowd" by listening? It's ok to admit you've outgrown it you know!

[jamiec21]

Whilst I don't believe there was nothing homophobic about this incident, I do think Chris was an idiot to come out with it. I remember cringing at the time. After all the shit he's taken about being homophobic, doing something like this was just asking for trouble. I fear that his next indiscretion (and it will come) will lead to Chris being suspended as, although it's clear he has the support of the Radio 1 management, the pressure on them (from the tabloids, and from then on, the spineless figures of upper BBC management) will become too much.

[Johnny 1989]

I realise that this may be called 'feeding the troll', but I'm bored so what the heck.

JonnyYesno, may I politely ask why you are here again? You didn't answer my question last time. Is it to convert us to having a better taste in radio, or do you simply want to tell us why we're wrong in liking him?
Also, what sort of thing do you think he should be replaced with? You've been happy to judge the current breakfast radio DJ, who do you think would be a better, more wholesome replacement?

As you don't ask every newbie why they are here I thought it unnecessary to answer you. Anyway, I'm here because I originally liked Radio1 (275/285 MW) way back to Simon Mayo's breakfast show. Then there was the step change when Evans came in from his exposure on Big Breakfast. Wow, that show really was new and although Evans produced sparks of genius he was flawed in many ways, and eventually went wacko as we all know. That was the start of team-sycophancy and allowed DJ's to get away with a lot of bullying (really ugly public displays of cowardly arrogance). Probably a more tempered version of Evans is the perfect personality for breakfast radio. Riding on this wave of innovation, Moyles arrives with the remit of recreating that chaos and excitement, but he can't. I just don't think he has the quick wit, imagination, charm to keep you enthralled for three hours - and I want my money back. But most importantly he's unfortunatley ignorant and anti-intellectual like so may modern entertainers and although that elbow-nudging laddishness can seem accessible and endearing, it becomes thin very quickly.

What's wrong with expecting better standards of humour, interview, team entertainment from the investment in time you put in to listen. Don't you find it worrying that grown men with experience in broadcasting fall back on fart/boob/knob gags far too often or witter amongst themselves unaware that there's 8m people joylessly subjected to hearing about their mundane domestic arrangements. It's all somewhat depressing that he hears this himself and accepts this as great entertainment, five years on.

So, I'm here (unlike the other recent newbies) to discuss what you guys see in Moylsie and to objectively discuss his good and bad qualities. The most current thread is interesting because it addresses how actions or expressions can subconciously be engineered to be hurtful (if that is the case). If so, what's his motivation in doing so? Is he a closet racist or homophobe? I don't know but his gaffs provide evidence that when being spontaneous he can 'forget' where he is.Of course I doubt he is but he's not aware that those subjects are very serious for a lot of people including some of his listeners who don't want to have their intelligence insulted while driving to work. Plainly nobody here finds this interesting or they want to dismiss such questions as ones that could only originate from a 'troll'. My loss not yours.

Anyway, don't you guys want a better quality of entertainment or does Moyles satisfy all you breakfast radio needs?

I could have sworn that I had posted a reply to this

Oh well, it's too late to re-write it now

[bradcali]

Chris knows hes skating on thin ice-thats why he's trying to start up a tv career in case he gets kicked off radio one.If his audience figures had fallen for a 3rd quarter in a row in january he woulkd have been in deep shit.He knows theres a lot of people at the BBC woh would love to get rid of him.

[Johnny 1989]

Whilst I don't believe there was nothing homophobic about this incident, I do think Chris was an idiot to come out with it. I remember cringing at the time. After all the shit he's taken about being homophobic, doing something like this was just asking for trouble. I fear that his next indiscretion (and it will come) will lead to Chris being suspended as, although it's clear he has the support of the Radio 1 management, the pressure on them (from the tabloids, and from then on, the spineless figures of upper BBC management) will become too much.

I can see where your coming from, however if OfCom & the gutter press are going to pick on Chris for this incident then why don't they have a go at everyone else that does a gay stereotype on Radio & TV in that case?

[Ella]

why don't they have a go at everyone else that does a gay stereotype on Radio & TV in that case?

I think 'they' generally do don't they, especially in recent times? Certainly the Daily Mail has a go at anyone and everyone for even the most insignificant and inoffensive comment. One post on the digitalspy thread discussing this latest Chris story made me smile. It reads 'I bet this puts the Daily Mail in a bit of tizz, though: who will they support - the BBC or the gays?'. Place your bets now.

Plus also where do you stand on people discriminating against Moyles' size? Oh yes I forgot it's all game when it comes to fat people isn't it because "they chose to be fat"

I know this is going quite a bit off the point, but whilst I agree with most of what you say I do think that you can't really compare someone's weight with their race or sexuality. I don't think that anyone should be bullied for any reason and I would hope that I have never bullied anyone myself, either because of their weight or anything else, BUT a fat person who is bullied because of their weight can do something about it, where as a gay or black person etc. cannot.

I am a thin person, and I would definitely say that I 'choose to be thin'. To stay at a weight I am comfortable with I am very strict about my diet, only allowing myself to eat a very limited amount of boring foods day in and day out, and I partake in regular boring exercise which I don't particularly enjoy. I would love to be able to eat as much chocolate and sweets etc. as I wanted and not bother with the exercise, but I know that would result in me becoming fat and I do not want to choose to do that.

I know I've now gone totally off-topic for which I apologise, but in the same way I'm sure it winds up fat people when thin people tell them to lose weight or other things of that nature, it annoys me when some fat people seem to think thin people are that way naturally and it doesn't take hard work and boredom to stay that way.

[Sunny So Cal]

While we all appreciate the defense of Chris, feeding into the drama of these trolls is never a good thing. We've now got 3 pages in reply to evanescible nonsense.

[ian334]

I have tried to post a comment about this topic but it has been censored. He will get the boot soon. Watch this space

[JonnyYesno]

While we all appreciate the defense of Chris, feeding into the drama of these trolls is never a good thing. We've now got 3 pages in reply to evanescible nonsense.

Actually: evanescible nonsense = growing sense.

And your opinion on the ofcom ruling is? Or are you dismissing any discussion as trolling?

[Johnny 1989]

why don't they have a go at everyone else that does a gay stereotype on Radio & TV in that case?

I think 'they' generally do don't they, especially in recent times? Certainly the Daily Mail has a go at anyone and everyone for even the most insignificant and inoffensive comment. One post on the digitalspy thread discussing this latest Chris story made me smile. It reads 'I bet this puts the Daily Mail in a bit of tizz, though: who will they support - the BBC or the gays?'. Place your bets now.

Plus also where do you stand on people discriminating against Moyles' size? Oh yes I forgot it's all game when it comes to fat people isn't it because "they chose to be fat"

I know this is going quite a bit off the point, but whilst I agree with most of what you say I do think that you can't really compare someone's weight with their race or sexuality. I don't think that anyone should be bullied for any reason and I would hope that I have never bullied anyone myself, either because of their weight or anything else, BUT a fat person who is bullied because of their weight can do something about it, where as a gay or black person etc. cannot.

I am a thin person, and I would definitely say that I 'choose to be thin'. To stay at a weight I am comfortable with I am very strict about my diet, only allowing myself to eat a very limited amount of boring foods day in and day out, and I partake in regular boring exercise which I don't particularly enjoy. I would love to be able to eat as much chocolate and sweets etc. as I wanted and not bother with the exercise, but I know that would result in me becoming fat and I do not want to choose to do that.

That still doesn't make it any less inexcusable though does it really? Even though someone can do something about it why should it be a bit more acceptable because the choose to be fat?

I know I've now gone totally off-topic for which I apologise, but in the same way I'm sure it winds up fat people when thin people tell them to lose weight or other things of that nature, it annoys me when some fat people seem to think thin people are that way naturally and it doesn't take hard work and boredom to stay that way.

[/quote]

I know where your coming from, people who say they are fat because they admit they are lazy I have no problem with, it's the ones that make the excuses, such as "but exercise is hard work" that sometimes annoy me, not that much mind.