[Nicola_Red]

I dunno, I just know I wouldn't risk my ebay account for it. I use it to buy and sell so many things that it would be a serious hindrance to me if I had strikes and negs. I think karma will come round to get the offending sellers at some point.

[Boboff]

What a load of sanctimonious twaddle,

1. You enter a competition, by doing so you raise money for Charity
2. You are locky enough to win
3. It is your right to do what ever you wish with the prize, if that includes selling it then who are we or anyone else to complain
4. As all the tickets are prizes, the market sets the price

Do you think all those couples from Birmingham who won a speed boat on Bullseye kept them ? Or do you think they might have sold them, and used there luck and good fortune to make themselves happy by buying something else ?

If you win a raffle at a pub, and give the prize to Auntie for Christmas, surely it the same thing again.

What is so wrong with freedon of choice and free enterprice ?

Oh yeah, it make you lot jealous !

and PS it isn't me !

[Ballbag]

Go Boboff, go boboff, go boboff.

*Puts fists together, pushes them out to the left and swings them round to the right, pulls towards chest - repeats*

I don't agree with your arguement Mr Off, but I like the way it's put across.

[Yudster]

Boboff could persuade me to anything.

[Zoot]

Boboff could persuade me to anything.

Wow, I'd like to see that video!

[Boboff]

It's on DVD actually, just because we are old doesn't mean we are not cutting edge.
I am the same age as Mike Catt, almost, and he captained the England rugby team to a fantastic win on Saturday, and Plymouth Argyle striker Barry Hayles is also the same age and.... well he was rubbish actually, and Watford beat us, and this is the wrong thread for that, but it's sad, and so is the fact that Top gear may not come back, ,but thats another thread.

Any way happy day's.

I Bet Chris is knackered, can you imagine going out on the lash for 7 nights on the trot and having to get up and travel, ,how does he do it Footloose ?

[foot-loose]

Red Bull helps.

[Zoot]

You are very random today Mr Bob-off... Are you feeling ok?

[Boboff]

ASBO zootly, my good friend, had a great weekend, and looking at a good, but hard, week ahead.

Randomness is just one of those things that I do, much to the anoyance of some, and delight of .... well me,

I hope you are having a good day, and that you are happy too ( Apparenly Plymouth is the 5th happiest city to live in, with 76% of people admitting they were happy, number 1 was Bournemouth, 2 Liverpool, 3 Swansea, 4 Belfast..........)

PS on the answer to 1 & 5 are correct, I made the rest up, as they are / were venues of the rallyoke....... back on thread big boy !

[foot-loose]

You are very random today Mr Bob-off... Are you feeling ok?

I tend to ind with Mr Booboff that If I dont follow what hes talking about in the first couple of line, I give up.

It hurts my head too much otherwise.

[Zoot]

I hope you are having a good day, and that you are happy too!

I'm not bad, thank you so much for asking...
(Although for some reason my jaw feels like its been dislocated.. I've been suffereing from man flu, and it feels like its giving me a kicking before it finally decided to leave me..)

[Boboff]

Sorry, I don't mean to hurt anyone !

I will try and make my posts more easily accesible, whilst still maintaining the Wit, Irony, and frankly genius that is Boboff........ Oh and at least a couple of spelling mistakes in each post to really throw people off the scent.

[foot-loose]

Sorry, I don't mean to hurt anyone !

Apology understood and accepted!

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

What a load of sanctimonious twaddle,

1. You enter a competition, by doing so you raise money for Charity
2. You are locky enough to win
3. It is your right to do what ever you wish with the prize, if that includes selling it then who are we or anyone else to complain
4. As all the tickets are prizes, the market sets the price

Do you think all those couples from Birmingham who won a speed boat on Bullseye kept them ? Or do you think they might have sold them, and used there luck and good fortune to make themselves happy by buying something else ?

If you win a raffle at a pub, and give the prize to Auntie for Christmas, surely it the same thing again.

What is so wrong with freedon of choice and free enterprice ?

Oh yeah, it make you lot jealous !

If you give the prize away its not the same thing at all. Nor is winning something on a gameshow and selling it for its market value. The point is you win these tickets and then make a profit from it. Thats like buying up all the red noses then selling them for extra and pocketing the difference.

[Boboff]

Gaspode, not wishing to disagree with you but, your wrong, when there are lots of red noses for all to have, there is no scondary market, it's supply and demand you see, the fact it took luck to own, the ticket, is neither here or their its still your luck which gave you the prize and you have the right to do with it as you will, just as it's luck getting a ticket for a gig, I missed Ricky Gervais at Plymouth recently, we were on the phone from the second the tickets became available, but no luck, someone who works with my wife phoned up about 15 minutes after and got straight through, would I have paid more than face value for the tickets, yes, would I have paid the £200 they were going for, no, see supply and demand, the higher the price the lower the demand, but that don't make it wrong brother !

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

its the charity element that is wrong. If people want to pay over the odds for tickets I couldn't care less but making a profit from charity tickets is morally wrong.

[Boboff]

Yes I know, that does urk a bit, but look at it this way, the "fund raising" bit has been done, if you went to a Church Hall Harvest auction for instance, or a car boot sale, or what ever and you ended up with an undiscoverd Turner or Constable painting, worth about 14 million, now of cource you would give all of the money to the charity who ran the event which afforded you the "luck" to own it, or maybe you would keep a portion of it, either way, that charity should and could benefit from the secondary market, as it's a further income stream that conscience would suggest would benefit from the sale on this market, and if you look at ebay today, they are offering to administer a set % of your sale proceeds automatically to red Nose. So corporately they can't be chastised, and given you have to believe most people are inherantly ok, then really this is a no brainer, sell the tickets, if you can get more for them, than you value them then do it, if you can't go yourself. If you won Gaspode and I offered you £150k for them, would you sell them to me ? This is the same transaction the so called scum bag is undertaking on ebay.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

Genuinely I wouldn't sell them for a profit.

[MK Chris]

No, I totally agree with Gaspode. If the prize was something I didn't want, I wouldn't enter; if the prize was something I didn't want but the charity was something I felt strongly towards I would give directly to the charity.

[Yudster]

If the prize was something I didn't want, I wouldn't enter...........

I think that's the key. But I do understand what boboff is saying, and of course, technically and legally he is right - the rest is just personal principle and opinion, things we can - and probably should - only attempt to control in ourselves.

And boboff, I have to say this - Ricky Gervaise? Honestly?!! I thought you had better taste than that!

[Boboff]

Genuinely I wouldn't sell them for a profit.

for £150k..... if I offered you it you wouldn't take it ????

do you know what I believe you, but that says so much more about you and your superiority over us all, than any responce I can offer, boy I remember being idealistic, I read all Trotskys work once, and it made me feel thay way too. but .... but.... but..

well no buts actually, you are in a better place than me and I am not going to condemn it other than to say, and I mean this, I wish I could be back there too !

how kin patronising is that ! sorry it really is not meant to be......... just appreciate this sentiment.... I wish I could be there.... believe in yoursef and don't let........ borrocks, thats worse.......

I AM MY DAD....... FEK AND ARSE

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

haha it comes to something when having morals is deemed as being idealistic.

[Yudster]

I read it less that having morals is idealistic, more that growing out of having morals is dispiriting and possibly slightly depressing. I think boboff is also expressing a belief that there is an inevitability about this - which I don't believe, which quite possibly makes me an idealist....?

[Nicola_Red]

I agree with boboff's sentiments but also with what the others are saying re the morality of the issue - it would be commendable to be as broke as I am and yet still have the moral fibre to be able to say no to a nice tidy sum of money gained by questionable means, but sadly I think I too grew out of that.

[Gaspode_The_Wonder_Dog]

I read it less that having morals is idealistic, more that growing out of having morals is dispiriting and possibly slightly depressing. I think boboff is also expressing a belief that there is an inevitability about this - which I don't believe, which quite possibly makes me an idealist....?

I almost felt the need to prove how cynical I was after Boboffs post but im not really that cynical to be honest. Maybe I shouldn't believe people are inherently good.... theres enough examples to prove it wrong.